Bra holster misfire kills Michigan Republican delegate

You’ve got a whole lot of rationalizing going on for somebody with the 'nym “Skeptic”.

You always start from the same notion, that gun deaths are worse than any other deaths, and then you backfill a defensible reason why gun suicides are special, and gun accidents are special, and even gun murders are special. Do you care as much about the myriad of people killed by dogs, whiskey and cars? I’m kind of doubting it, since you aren’t cheerleading for prohibition of any of those things.

Edit: and why are you pasting claims he hasn’t made on @Mister44? I don’t see that he’s made any claim to the effect “that society needs extensive private ownership of guns to be safe”. Safe? Ghods, who wants that? You’d have to live in a skinner box, tended by robots. Being human is not safe.

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Japan, despite low overall crime, does have a really high rate of home invasions, strangely enough, which many people attribute to the no guns thing. I also think Japan has a more accepting view of suicide, so like US love of violence, there are cultural factors.

America revels in the glorification of death. We have serious problems. We have a much higher gun homicide rate than other countries with almost as many guns (as previously noted, Mexico and a few other places are even more violent). And I say this as someone who is carrying a loaded weapon as I type.

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Citation needed.

Thanks. I spent a useless amount of time trying to imagine how this could work.

Yeah, got that from your you are all gonna die so anything you say is justified thesis. Can’t agree with it.

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‘Victim blaming’ is usually considered egregious taste when the victim suffered through somebody else’s negligence or malice.

If the victim is also the negligent or malicious party there isn’t anything wrong with blaming them. If, say, the manufacturer of the gun were covering up serious deficiencies with its safety, then perhaps this would be ‘victim blaming’ in the negative sense. As it is, the story seems rather…thin…on blameworthy agents who aren’t the victim.

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Holy crap. Is that two models? The top one doesn’t cover the trigger. Ok I’m going allcaps here. 99.99999% OF THE POINT OF A HOLSTER IS TO COVER THE TRIGGER. There is even something called a “Glock Sock” that does nothing but. That plastic looks like kydex, and it makes for great holsters (I occasionally make knife and flashlight sheaths with it), but a bra holster is jus a bad idea generally. It’s an awkward position that points the muzzle towards stuff we need intact…

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Because she was a victim of herself and was entirely capable of not being a victim by making more sensible choices regarding lethal weapons. She literally brought it upon herself.

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I wonder what Japan’s murder-suicide rate is compared to Americas? I’d say that’s a more relevant stat.

Connecting their suicide rare and gun ownership rate is a dishonest, distracting talking point which ignores the actual reasons for their high suicide rate: societal and historical acceptability of the practice. It’s part of bushido and bushido continues to colour the Japanese psyche.

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I want my guns available on about 3 minutes notice and they are: go to garage, push heavy thing out of the way of the safe, open safe, remove guns. If someone is already in my small house, they’ve got the jump on me and my plan is to spirit myself and the kids out the back door. If for some strange reason there’s someone prowling around my house and I know it, I bet I could get that 3 minutes down to about 1 if I really pushed it. A 911 call would follow shortly after I’ve armed myself.

But instant access to my own guns when I’m suffering the quiet indignity of a Chipotle burrito isn’t something I understand.

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I don’t think that’s two models. But it looks like you can (as maybe she did) get your finger inside the trigger guard before it’s in your hand. That’s just dumb.

Basef on thise photos the trigger is uncovered on at least one side. The stupidity, it burns.

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See, I think it’s a clamshell that could be probably forced open with a bit of an effort – covered on both sides, but with enough force she got her finger in there, and yanked.

It’s a hell of a way to rack a round. So to speak.

I think that fear is generally unhelpful. People rage when I point it out, but for any dangerous situation you may find yourself in, your chances of survival are much greater if you remain calm and deliberate. This applies equally to people no matter on what “side” of a stereotypical gun debate they might be.

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Very well: I cite your invocation of statistics on “gun violence” and “gun deaths”. Instead of comparing deaths and violence in countries with different cultures of gun ownership, (which might fracture your thesis of gun specialness if studied too closely) you’ve quite openly cherrypicked the very special violence and deaths that support your fetish for guns. “Why, in this country where people have absurd numbers of guns, they actually use guns to commit violence that people elsewhere would commit with other weapons! My god, it’s utterly shocking! My monocle has fallen in my drink!”

Guns are fun to shoot and useful for feeding the family, but really, you guys make far too much of them.

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While we’re making fun of Republicans - how about that GOP congressman who thinks Boko Haram is called Boca Raton?

“every American citizen traveling abroad becomes a subject in regard for kidnapping and then the plight of how much money has been captivated in the Boca Raton group.”

How do you keep voting these complete idiots in, America? Ironically, the fact that his western education makes him incapable of differentiating between a US city and an African terrorist group actually confirms the thesis of the terrorist group’s name. Boko Haram translates to “Western education is forbidden”.

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I just checked their website. At least now the trigger is fully covered on both sides. Its just kind of a weird holster, but if its like the one in the website then looks like operator error…

I find them a bit hard to digest. Plus they have an odd metallic taste.

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Well, if this leads to air strikes on Boca Raton, we should keep in mind that it’s a known haven for spammers. Omelets, eggs, etc.

Voting machines with no audit trail. Saves all that tedious traveling to the polls, you know.

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Yes, covering the trigger is a vital function of a good holster - cover it while keeping the hell away from it, which the Glock Sock seems to fail to do, which is an important consideration since it looks like you put it on by sliding it up or in the direction of trigger pull - and Glocks don’t have a manual safety (which, is probably also why the Glock was made. I’m seeing problems with this.)

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