Brexit wins: Britain votes to exit the European Union

The City kind of, sort of, not really already has that going for it. Honestly in today’s global economy, any hope for syndicalist cantonization may have gone out the window. Tiny entities have no leverage and end up having to go along to get along. You just end up with small scale technocratic guilds controlling everything out of expediency. You would need everyone else to be doing the same thing to make it work.

But what’s a few hundred billion in pensioner funds, amirite? I mean, they’re pensioners!


I just know that the evolution of bureaucracies and large centralized agencies become eventual behemoths and if left unchecked devour everything in their paths. Conform or else is the message. Diversity to the point of assimilation. It’s so funny to me they talk about doing so much good in the end just about the accumulation of wealth and power like everything else. Reminds me of mega churches all shine no substance.

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Outside of this BBS and other watchers of John Oliver, I have literally never heard anyone equate Brexit with racism. Most people (from my firsthand experience) view Brexit as strictly an issue of consolidation or diffusion of power. So good news for you, I don’t think this is going to bolster the voting bloc of bigots, since most people don’t seem to associate Brexit with bigotry.


You are absolutely correct. The Last Week tonight segment on the Canadian election was in the same vein. The only difference is that it wasn’t delayed here.

Do a search for Ukip campaign posters. Too much of it seems to be on the level of “If you want a N***** for a neigbour, vote Labour


Are you sure you’ve been following the issue closely enough? The Mayor of London called them out on it during “The Great Debate.” Even when it’s not been addressed directly the subtext is indisputably there. It’s not as if immigration was never an issue raised by UKIP, and the UK was never part of Schengen. The concern seems to be largely a fear of brown Europeans with EU passports. .


Yep… I can relate. All of a sudden the fees for my British divorce will be much cheaper given I’m paying in dollars. But… I still hate to see the people of the UK shoot themselves in the foot this way.

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Does anyone else see the immediate market and currency decline as a sign of rampant speculation and panic rather than anything tangible?
Honestly, when you see what has been happening with real estate in London and throughout England and how it was being bought up by foreign entities eventually pricing Britons out of London, this seemed like the inevitable backlash. After all, it was easy access to EU trading that prompted so many foreign companies and nationals to use England as a gateway to trading with the EU.


And then Northern California can vote to leave Southern California. And Northwestern California can leave Northeastern California. And then one day you can separate from the other people who live on your block because that way no one has to listen to anything anyone else says.

I know your country is a madhouse, but we’re a global species whether we like it or not, and we’re either going ot have to live together or die together in the long run.

Let’s say we had three groups of people: 1) the pro-murderer; 2) the pro-torture; and 3) people who think murder and torture are wrong. You are saying that (2) and (3) have the same stance on murder. In some weird, narrow, logic-class way that might be true, but surely the fact that (2) only wants to keep people alive to torture them makes it fair for (3) to ask not to be associated with (2).

There have been plenty of societies ruled by the old. You know, the assumption being that elderly people will have more wisdom than younger people. In a way it’s a good system. Of course it relies on the assumption that elderly people will care about younger people instead of just saying “I got mine.” Really, it all comes back to:

Well, it’s also going to keep the Brits in, right? I don’t know, maybe?

Actually (maybe you didn’t know this) in medicine we are always inching closer to death.

I do not understand why people rush to the USD in times of uncertainty. It’s like people think the US is stable.


Up is down, black is white, wrong is right…


Hush now, the adults are talking.


Oh, come now. That’s a little bit extreme, don’t you think?

2017 is more realistic for the death date; right now its just on its deathbed.


“Equating” them would be wrong of course. There was more than one reason to vote for an exit, obviously; some better, some worse. But migration as a topic apparently tipped the scales, and thus took precedence over the legitimate concerns of the people who would have preferred to stay.


No, it happened because of the referendum result. A direct consequence. It was in no way a normal event. You cut a hole in your boat, the boat sinks. “Sinkings happen,” you say, “just part of sailing.”

The freedom to allow merchant bankers to asset strip state-owned industries? The freedom to condemn vast swaths of the population to unemployment? The worst abuses of power to be inflicted on the British populace have been by their own government with no prompting from the EU. Freedom for whom, to do what?

An entire generation of young Britons woke up this morning to learn that they will soon no longer be able to live and work wherever they like across europe. No more chance of, to take my friend as an example, moving to France to work on the future of engineering as a part of the EU-funded space program. Now instead it looks like 3 million mostly low-wage menial job positions will need to be filled back home. This, you suggest, is freedom.

Did I mention that the EU has a space program? They farm out the work to member states as a way to promote high-tech industry across the continent. EU regulations are instrumental in keeping the telecoms market competitive, which is why connectivity in Europe is so damned good compared to unregulated markets such as the US. Countries such as Croatia and the Ukraine have had to overhaul and modernise labour protections and contract law as a part of the process of qualifying for membership. The EU is actually rather good at designing policies that promote progress.

Your arguments revolve around ideals (freedom! evolution!) without touching on practical facts. I realise it’s a complicated situation but you could do a better job of studying the case at hand rather than relying solely on ideology.

I think that if that’s your outlook on the matter then you are not well informed, and should probably reconsider your choice of news sources.


Well, the only good thing about this mess, is that we no longer have to kowtow to the insanities of the City, the number one reason for the financial crisis and the reason we can’t stop tax-evasion and money-laundering… love London, but the City should be nuked from orbit.


Attempting to equate “concern about immigration” with “racism” was obviously not a successful strategy for the remain side.

For extra credit, explain two reasons why it was not.


Isn’t there a fable about a wolf praising a sheep for its independence for leaving the fold? Well there should be.


People over 40 shouldn’t be allowed to vote (and yes, I’m in that group :slight_smile: ) The consequences of our votes reverberate far out into the future and people over 40 have too little time left to really give a shit about that…
The wisdom of age my ass.


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