California state employees may no longer use state funds travel to states where LGBTQ discrimination is legal

Well, I’m not the one that brought it up, but that confirms it was always caffeine free, and still is as far as I know.

I don’t know about that; where is the line that, once crossed, is too much fascism?
Once these laws are passed, it’s a much smaller step to the next loss, and the next.
It’s a tragedy to be healthy and still get trapped in a quarantine zone, yes. But that’s not going to stop the action from happening, or from being necessary.

I think people are really, really underestimating just how serious integrating this discrimination into the body of law is, and what it can directly lead to.
It’s a danger of today and tomorrow, not next year when people have had ample time to fight it.

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It looks like he’s playing against an astronaut and Aaron Rodgers. No wonder “Mr. Wonderfull” (whom I’ve never heard of) got his ass handed to him.

Do you mean Mountain Dew the heavily-caffeinated soft drink, or Mountain Dew the slang for moonshine?

I remember when it was Jolt Cola, but Jolt’s heyday was short-lived. Mountain Dew is timeless, and is practically a stereotype by now. Red Bull is taking over a little though.

I don’t know about 5-Hour Energy, and I don’t trust it worth crap.

That’s their new marketing slogan.

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Of the 16-18 candidates, I’d put him in the middle of the pack for acceptable choices. I feel like if we have Prime Minister O’Leary in 2019 or 2023, I’ll just be relieved we don’t have Prime Minister Leitch or Prime Ministry Blaney.

SAD!

What about Prime Minister Ford?

Mt Dew in the US ( AKA “Freedom Dew”) has caffeine and in a higher amount than in Coke or Pepsi.

Canada used to have a law that only caramel colored sodas could have caffeine. So nothing see through like Mt Dew would have caffeine. I remarked on this as a joke for a fun, unimportant difference to highlight.

Since then the law changed, but IIRC the regular Mt Dew still has no caffeine (though it could) but some of their other flavors do.

What exactly are we talking about then? For example, which law in Kansas is so close to fascism that it deserves to be written off?

Should we have written off California in 2008 when the PEOPLE voted on and passed Prop 8? A law that was in effect until 2015? This law is far more damaging than say the Kansas “religious liberty law” - which while bullshit, blocks cakes from being made, not same sex marriages.

Oh wait - they repealed the law! Only 2 short years ago! Well, shit, maybe we shouldn’t have created that dead zone in California after all. But hey, not this time. This time we got it right. Anyone not in line with California who changed their laws 2 years ago (19 days ago for the most recent law) is shit and deserves to be shunned and locked out lest their evil laws, which we had similar laws only 2 years ago) infect the rest of the US.

There are 12 states with anti-sodomy laws on the books still, even though they were struck down by the Supreme Court. Better rope them off too.

Alienation, and employing the general “us vs them” attitude is NOT the way to incite change and make things better. This way of thinking is EXACTLY like those people who are making the laws you don’t like in the first place.

Kansas and other areas are slower to shift as the social paradigm shifts (though Kansas was a head of the curve on slavery, voting to come in to the union as a Free State.) But they will get there eventually. Working with people who want to enact change is what is going to make it happen. Not building a metaphorical wall and writing off anyone on the other side as diseased.

Of the handful of Canadians I have on face book, half them them seem anti-Trudeau, and at least one has showed interest in O’Leary.

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Fortunately the living Ford brother who is interested in politics is just flat-out detestable and has nothing of Rob’s “charm” (this is plainly not the right word for what Rob Ford had or what Donald Trump has, but Doug Ford does not have it).

John Oliver did a bit about Doug Ford during our last municipal election after Rob’s health force him out of the race. The conclusion was basically, “Please vote for this idiot, Toronto. Rob Ford was easy to make fun of but you felt kind of bad because he was obviously an addict with serious problems. Doug Ford is just an asshole and we can make fun of him all day without any remorse.”

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I think Canadian and American politics are very similar in that they both work on a “kick the bums out” system. The majority of the population doesn’t actually like any of the options all that much, so two parties just take turns pissing the electorate off. I think Trudeau’s got a second term in him, but basically the longer you’ve been in power the less likely you are to win, and it hardly even matters who you are running against (unless your opponent is just direly stupid, like in the last Ontario election). The anti-Trudeau sentiment is going to matter a lot more than the pro-whoever sentiment. In some ways getting a Conservative or Liberal party leadership is like a free ticket to be Prime Minister (unless your party gets angry when you don’t win an election you were never going to win and kicks you out).

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I would point out that blocking gay marriages is not nearly the same as allowing any facility or individual to not serve gay people. Under the bill in KS, which is the one I’m most familiar with as a former resident, any service could be denied. Including medical services. It’s not just cake. So if I’m with a gay colleague, and they have a heart attack, that colleague can be refused treatment by a doctor or paramedic for being gay. That person’s partner can also be barred from being involved in the decision making for their care.

Do I think that’s a likely outcome? Not particularly. And if we’re in Lawrence, where the major research university is, protections still apply. But I also would not blame a person for not wanting to go to KS. Edit: And I wouldn’t plan a conference or meeting in a place where I put my colleagues in the position of making the decision of whether to advance their career or be subject to discrimination.

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5-Hour Energy works great, doesn’t make me jittery, and doesn’t do terrible things to my digestive system. Tastes not great, but some flavors are less not great than others, and besides, it’s all over in a few seconds.

We are part time in North Carolina. After the bathroom bill, we continue to oppose it, and strongly encouraged our republican friends and relatives to vote against McCrory. It might bear noting that the bathroom bill was not something enacted after a popular vote, unlike Ca prop 187.

I would rather do this:

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Can you source that every happening? I am not saying that isn’t a potential under the letter of the law, but at the same time there are a lot of open ended laws ripe for abuse, but the actual abuse is low.

Not that I am defending the law in the least. It is bullshit. The entire concept is bullshit. I really want to open a store and give out a form for any wedding cake buyers and reject them based on some moral or religious flaw. “You aren’t pure enough for my cakes.” Maybe if I win the lottery.

Let’s be realistic here too. I have several gay friends in Kansas and they aren’t being chased around by pitchforks. Conversely I have had gay friends slandered on the street in San Francisco. So let’s not act like because Kansas has a shit law, that it is a more horrible than other places, nor that bigotry and hatred doesn’t exist outside of it’s boarders. The chances of a college being harassed in Lawrence at a convention is pretty darn low.

Again, the Kansas law needs to go away. I hope next cycle they pull their collective heads out of their asses and switch things up because there is a lot of things going wrong with their experiments. But writing off the whole state isn’t a good idea either. Things will change.

How well does it wake you up? Never tried it - maybe I should. What is the bet tasting?

Just the letter of the law. It’s not specifically said that medical practitioners can decide not to treat someone, specifically, but individuals, corporations and facilities can turn people away without any fields being restricted.

I don’t think I said that people are being pelted in the streets, or that hate doesn’t exist outside of KS, so I’m not sure who you’re responding to. What I said is that I wouldn’t blame someone for not wanting to take the risk of not being able to access treatment or services. I acknowledged that any one visitor to a state is unlikely to have a problem.

Look, I’ve lived in states where my advanced directives would be invalidated if I were to become incapacitated while pregnant. And that’s risk I decided to take for myself. We all get to decide the level of risk that we’re willing to take on for ourselves. For the conference that I help put on in Texas, our GLB and especially T members are partners in deciding what is and is not an appropriate level of risk, since they’re going to be the ones affected.

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I only use it for emergencies, like when I didn’t get enough sleep and start nodding off at work. Not first thing in the morning. Lemon Lime is the least offensive I’ve tried but I pinch my nose anyway.

Sorry, I am piling on other peoples comments on to your own.

I think they should go further…like banning funding to go to any state with ‘at-will employment’ laws on the books. Of course, this would mean Massachusetts would be on this list as well. Organizations in Massachussetts can discriminate and fire anyone for basically any reason, just like the Free Software Foundation has been accused of doing recently against LGBT staff…of course Mr. Doctorow is going to speak at their conference in a few months so I am sure he is either unaware or simply does not care about which organizations he supports with his presence?

Wait…Rob Ford is dead?

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Really? Should we start a thread. Does @anon61221983 know?

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