California state employees may no longer use state funds travel to states where LGBTQ discrimination is legal

If that “alienates” them against the cause of equality, they are.

Again, the people that want the problems fixed are hurt by the boycott, and beyond that, they are hurt by the laws of the state in the first place. Then again, one of the things that I have to remind people…as a straight white cis-male who is a Christian, I’m personally not hurt by the laws of Mike Pence nor Donald Trump (more the first because he has hurt the state of Indiana, and is most likely going to use the strong Vice Presidency to his advantage while Donald is busy tweeting)…however people I care greatly for are hurt.

So…if you fucking thing that we aren’t trying to fix these problems, you really are deluded.

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You tell me. Before 2010 non-cola drinks couldn’t have caffeine. That alone would cause me to move.

The point is, you can’t find a person on earth 100% happy with their country/state/province laws. Maybe Kim Jong-un as he gets to make them all up.

And if you want things to change, leaving isn’t going to fix anything. Case in point is the very example of California who is starting this whole discussion.

0_o I didn’t say it alienated them from the cause. It would just negatively affect them (the group most likely to be pro-gay), and not hurt at all the state that passed the law.

Do they do the same with countries with such rules?

Because that’s part of the definition of the drink?

(When I was in college Mtn Dew was the go-to drink for a caffeine fix for people who didn’t like coffee.)

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Staying includes accepting that you might be collateral damage when people from outside protest your state’s laws by withdrawing support for it.

I don’t really want to find that some random thing has been spiked with caffeine.

Ok - but it also isn’t condoning the law by staying.

I went to Canada for a paintball tournament and trying to wake up, downing like 2 of them quickly when I was informted that Canadian Dew has no caffeine. :astonished:

They did have Cuban cigars, so it evened out.

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The drink had caffeine from the day of its creation.

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What else would you drink Mountain Dew for? The flavour?

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Yeah right! ‘Doing the Dew’ loses something minus caffeine. Like impotence only more sad.

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So, people who don’t or can’t move aren’t allowed to speak out against legislation in their home states and are condoning it, even if they have no choices? Again, seems a purist position.

I didn’t say I was against sanctions, rather that not everyone can make the choice to move when things become dangerous for them. Were African Americans to blame when the entire country became hostile to their rights after the end of slavery? Are transgendered people in NC who can’t move to blame for discrimination? Even if you aren’t directly targeted by such legislation, how precisely does moving rather than staying and working to overturn that legislation do?

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So…fix the problems or become a dead zone?

This is more or less what happens to any region that hosts severe enough contagion.

So subject to the same market conditions as “knowledge workers” outside the ivory towers.

Academics have been subjected to the “market conditions” outside the ivory towers for a while now, thanks. Especially in the south. the only people who get any sort of job security in academia any more are the people who can afford to go to the elite schools. That isn’t me.

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Christ, what an asshole.

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LOL. So find me a state with all it’s problems fixed?

CA revised their law 2 years ago, and passed a new one that took action 18 days ago. So let’s not pat CA on the back too much for something that it should have done soon. I still has shit drug laws. It still has institutional racism and many other problems.

Which is a bullshit way to look at things. Someone out side of the US could say the same thing about the WHOLE of the US, given the current person in power.

This overarching divisiveness and labeling of whole states as “contaminated” and soon to become a “dead zone” is bullshit. It shows the same stereotyping and biases that people who enacted the laws we are talking about employ. Don’t become what you hate.

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Those Tennessee academics have the option of holding the conference elsewhere. If a California employee really needs to go to Oak Ridge, there are ways to pay for a plane ticket besides state funds.

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No, it’s never had caffeine in it, and how would anyone have any idea it would?

I don’t know why any of you care this much about it but:

Relevant quotes:

Between the 1940s and 1980s, there was just one variety of Mountain Dew, which was citrus-flavored and caffeinated in most markets …

 

For example, in Canada, the sweetener listed is “glucose-fructose”[22] (another name for high-fructose corn syrup), and (until 2012), it was caffeine-free by default.

 

A 12 oz can of Mountain Dew contains 54 mg of caffeine.

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To give him credit, I can imagine someone from the US being nonplussed to learn that beer is supposed to have flavor, and insisting it never did have.

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