Can gluten-free bread transubstantiate?

Also, I hear holding the heel too hard leads to structural weaknesses:

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The Catholic Church disavows Creationism. So there is some room for common sense in there.

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again, no it is not, regardless of what one believes. the mention of wheat in exodus is the rules for temple offerings. the Passover reference earlier in that book simply says unleavened bread. even if Passover required wheat bread, the ritual of communion was not the same and did not follow the rules of passover intentionally. even different jewish sects don’t agree on passover rules, everyone has different ideas on how to celebrate god killing an entire nation worth of children.

remember modern wheat didn’t even exist as we know it during that time period. In Jesus’ time, there were only three major types of wheat in existence: The wheat varieties of the day, Einkorn, Emmer, and later Triticum, along with spelt, barley, millet, sorghum, and teff. Oats and rye existed but weren’t cultivated in that region. All the references to rye/rie in the bible are now known to be sorghum. All the references to corn simply mean cereal grain.

many of the verses your bible translates as wheat were first translated to English as corn, meaning cereal grain, not maize corn. They use the generic word for cereal grains and could refer to any one of them, translating them as wheat was a much later English bias.

…but i’m sure you are aware of all that, right?

there are a few rules that actually prohibit most of us from partaking, circumcised hebrew men only is the main one (sorry women, children, foreigners, and the genitally unmutilated, but circumcised adult male slaves are a-okay):

[quote]“No foreigner may eat it. 44 Any slave you have bought may eat it after you have circumcised him, 45 but a temporary resident or a hired worker may not eat it.

46 “It must be eaten inside the house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones. 47 The whole community of Israel must celebrate it.

48 “A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”[/quote]
i mean you have to follow the rules right? especially the most important ones! lots and lots of rules about foreskins. it certainly can’t be a pick and choose and make up based on whatever culture and time period one is in…oh wait, that is exactly what it is.

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nope. you are 100% correct, verse 12 about Passover simply says unleavened bread. the only mention of wheat is around verse 29 which is reference to temple sacrifice rules.

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Well, I’ve heard that if you go to the temple, you should only do so sin cerely (with wheat),

they passed over the wheat reference when it came to how to live at home?

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That is no bull…at least not a blemished full grown one. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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holding it for too long, also. Time wounds all heels.

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I don’t think we read the same bible. In mine, Jesus knew what was up with the Apostles, not the other way round really at all.

Heck, ask any four of them and you’ll get four pretty different stories.

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This could be simplified into one comedy sketch I heard recently. “Have you tried gluten free food? It needs gluten”.

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isn’t being glutenous one of the 7 deadly sins of baking?

(sighs - i miss @japhroaig in all conversations bread related.)

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Its the FSM’s Vietnamese brother, the Rice Vermicelli monster.

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Say what, now? You ever actually listened to some Catholics?
They make those rabbinical rule-benders seem almost normal.

Powerful people fight each other, and powerful people disagree about trivia.

They’re not really fighting about the trivia. They’re fighting about the power.

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The religious wars that grew out of the reformation involved a lot more than power games of rulers. They involved individuals and whole communities all across Western Europe slaughtering each other over their religious differences. Calling those differences “trivia” cripples your ability to understand some of the most formative events of early modern Europe.

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You know, if you’re going to contradict what someone says that way, it’s rather weaksauce to not then clarify what it WAS about. You haven’t. It rather ‘cripples’ your point. I’d like to encourage you to take this moment to share your knowledge, not just some condescension.

But where is it specified as wheat bread? The passover bread, specifically.

“What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.”

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I technically converted to Catholicism at one point. So yes.

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Catholics don’t believe it’s symbolic. Hence “transubstantiation.”

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Really? For me it was child molestation and the Church’s history of hiding it.