how do you figure she is half naked? i would estimate more like 1/8 naked, or even 1/10 naked
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Thatās what happens when you attach a purposely clickbaity title to the article.
This one is totally @beschizza 's fault: the headline had nothing to do with the rape threats, which to me seems the more egregious problem. Drawings with huge fake boobs? Meh.
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As regards the āheadlines vs clickbaitā debate, people are aware of the ancient medium known as newspapers that were popular before the internet, yeah? And that headlines, from the time they were invented (in the late 19th century, Wikipedia informs me), have pretty much always been āclickbaitā?
I quote from the Wiki article:
Publisher: Itās finding the center of your story, the beating heart of it, thatās what makes a reporter. You have to start by making up some headlines. You know: short, punchy, dramatic headlines. Now, have a look, [pointing at dark clouds gathering in the sky over the ocean] what do you see? Tell me the headline.
Protagonist: HORIZON FILLS WITH DARK CLOUDS?
Publisher: IMMINENT STORM THREATENS VILLAGE.
Protagonist: But what if no storm comes?
Publisher: VILLAGE SPARED FROM DEADLY STORM.
Articles in whatever medium arenāt scientific papers, and a headline is not meant to be a totally accurate abstract: headlines on blogs arenāt as restricted in character count as in print, but theyāre still going to be as artifact-of-language laden as a quality 1 JPEG is visually artifact laden. This is an even dafter argument to have than whether Rob has any experience of real cantaloupes, or indeed any root vegetables whatsoever.
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The issue here is that youāre assuming that the bad behavior is unidirectional. When you say that āThe escalating nature of derogatory and threatening comments is something that we need to find out a solution toā I donāt think weāll find anyone who disagrees. However, thereās no solution when half the problem isnāt addressed and, even further, the same poor behavior gets excused when it comes from someone who is āon the right sideā.
Because, when it comes down to it, everyone is slinging mud (within any group or ideology) and weāre only calling out the people we disagree with. Itās not only disingenuous, but itās actually part of why we all keep yelling. Until the go-to argument becomes something less inflammatory than barely-veiled ad homs of āMisogynist!ā and āRapist!ā (far less here at BB) weāre just going to continue to yell at each other. I know I have no motivation to engage with angry people who make demands without there being at least a little respect underlying the whole thing (in both directions). I gave up, because no one wants to have a rational conversation. Itās either āLook at this bad behavior on the internet! Who would have thought!?!ā or āThe world is out to get me and Iām a moment away from brutal assault at every moment!ā Neither of those are rational bases for any sort of constructive change via actual human interaction and discussion.
And no. Getting threats isnāt a justification for anything. If that were true then Iād be able to say that the WBC are absolutely right considering how many people react violently to them. Hellās Angels donāt like you and actively interfere with your freedom to protest? Thatās got to count for extra points in the ānegative reactions justify my positionā camp.
And when every discussion comes down to some conspiracy theory about how our culture/society/political system is secretly keeping dem wimmins down thereās no place for common ground. Unless youāre wealthy, the system isnāt designed for you. Thatās the axis we should be focused on, not this tit-for-tat acceptance of oligarchical capitalism where weāre all fighting over that 1/10th of a pie left over after our bosses and the owners reach their fat hands in. Weāre literally asking a capitalist economic system to care about things it has absolutely no reason to be caring aboutā¦ and weāre unwilling to even address the fact that the world is bigger and more complex than slogans and ācalling outā.
Call out DC for their undeniably homophobic/bigoted actions. Call out Bryan Singer for the fact that itās pretty damn likely (enough to say openly) that he raped a minor. I could go on and on and on.
Stop this cycle where it seems the strategy is to alienate and anger the very moderate-majority who are absolutely necessary to enact the very change that is desired. I know the best way to get people to support me is to call them names and insinuate that theyāre rapists. Weāre surprised when people who attack others are attacked in return? I know most people donāt see much of this discourse as āattackingā and thatās part of the problem.
Is anyone else a little put off by the fact that as soon as OWS (anti-capitalist) folded, the āleftistā dogma that picked up the slack and started to speak as an unofficial āpan-leftistā voice was (and remains) a very pro-capitalist movement? Thatās insanely distressing. Wool over the eyes. Keep the men and the women fighting against each other so no one has an eye on the staggering and insane wealth inequality that keeps getting worse. Wage gap? how about the chasm-like gap between minimum wage and living wage? Want to help women more than anything else? help everyone who struggles. I couldnāt care less about what any CEO makes, regardless of their identity. I do care, however, what the hourly workers make who clean up after the six year old has food poisoning in the already-dingy Walmart bathroom and then goes to their second job to do it all again for a different oligarch.
Until this silly āus vs themā mentality can be put in the past, weāre just all a bunch of rowdy kids who canāt decide if we want to play tag or kickball or build sandcastles-- all while yelling awful things at each other which makes it less and less likely weāre going to agree at all.
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The righteous indignation that flows from both sides of the argument is so strong and black and white itās hard to pick a sideā¦ I am not doing that.
First of all the topic title, I donāt see the explicit wrongfulness in the picture, itās not that exiting, or chauvinistic, other than that I am slightly annoyed by the totally crap composition and the lack of hand and feet.
The start should have been the inexcusable threats that where presumably made. Not the ābad tasteā of the picture.
What would have been nice is to see an argument about what comics should or can be without picking a side immediately.
If I would write a reaction every time I was offended I would not have a single minute of sleep.
There is a good cure for that itās called thick skin. If you donāt like it try to change it by doing not by arguing.
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This is the second problem with that cover: itās not only that a teenaged female character is depicted as being unusually physically developed, itās that thereās a whole demographic of new fans brought to comics by the animation being turned off by the sexualisation of characters they know to be not sexual caricatures. Itās as though the comic-book editors, or their managers, lack the courage to think of their medium as anything other than one for teen-aged boys and man-boys who yearn for the simpler-seeming world of their youth.
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Why is she drawn with breast implants.
You seem the sort of involved, committed and upset that would make perfect sense if this were some actual human person being modified.
She is a creation. You are policing other peopleās imaginations, man.
She is not 16. She is pencil.
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Yeah, no, Iām not seeing anyone other than women who dare to have an opinion about any subject being regularly threatened with rape. Iām sure that there are exceptions both ways, but the overwhelming truth is that women get spammed with rape threats, and men generally do not. The above quote is pretty much a poster-child for the tu quoque fallacy.
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also, no double standards involved.
One was posted by Cory. One by Rob.
thatās not a double standard, thatās just TWO STANDARDS
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Yeah ā¦ youāre right I work in IT. All the guys look like thisā¦
http://lavishtma.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/KrisKranzRickDay.jpg
No, weāre critiquing other peopleās artistic and editorial abilities. Thereās a world of difference.
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If you say so. There are more windmills at reddit. Just fyi.
adding: you are presuming that a pretty much personal blog HAS editorial standards and abilities. Thatās where you go awry. Iāve always been under the impression that how they feel today (like with my own website, where I would go to publish my feelings on someone elses work if I had more than a sentence or two to say about it, so I was doing it at my own expense, and not using the resources of those I would be so ashamed to associate with, to broadcast my message of disdain) is the standard.
itās almost like complaining that your bicycle shop, which advertises itself as an steam engine museum, is failing you by refusing to service your bicycle. The sign says steam engine museum. The presumption is the mistake. The guilting is the second, and the smarmy attiude when your marmish ways dont work to effect changeā¦ that is the third.
Itās like a concern troll honey pot in here.
Here, maybe this will help? [quote=āSsieth, post:261, topic:29080ā]
I guess Iām just baffled about where the genre and its advocates are right now compared to pretty much every other genre.
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Buzz Buzz.
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Moving goalposts. Not just about rape, at all. Did you read or just look for the āslam-dunkā out-of-context quote?
Nice try, though. Of course wghen you restrict the discourse to a single act which is directed near-exclusively at women youāll have near-exclusivity of women as the victims. Stats trick. Itās like defining ārapeā itself as requiring penetration and then being surprised that itās a majority of women who are penetrated by men (because the definition nearly-excludes men from being ārapedā).
Men get spammed with other threats. Regardless, thatās not the point. Until we can stop alienating the very majority of people who are required for broad social/political change by calling them rapists and misogynists by default, weāre not going to get far. Here we are, again, justifying bad behavior because other people were mean. Even now, Iām sure many individuals have already made a judgement call about me to an extremity based on the fact that Iām not a ārah rah!ā supporter and I have issues with the context of this discourse.
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That it seems OK to apply this style of sexualisation to underage characters. In any other medium there would be outrage, supported by the media and public opinion. In this medium it just seems to be par for the course.
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No ā¦really it happens constantly.
[mod edit: removed insult]
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So youāre refuting a comment about womenās magazines by posting a picture from an LGBTQ site? I surmise that you are not a gay man or a straight woman, and so are unaware of the differences in what the two distinct groups find attractive in men, on average.
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[Wakes up, checks internet]
''260 comments, there must an intelligent, thoughtful conversation currently ongoing regarding the sexualization of comic covers and how disappointing it is that a female editorial writer has been threatened with rape!"
Thanks for disappointing me, internet.
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I have no idea what youāre trying to say. FYI.
Letās be clear here. You were concerned that Robās headline was much too hyperbolic, people were upset at that focus, and now youāre calling their response bloodlust that mirrored the one Asselin got.
But correct me if Iām wrong, nobody here has threatened you with so much as expulsion from the boards, let alone rape. So saying theyāre comparable is very hyperbolic, or means in your perspective angry disagreement and violent threats are basically the same thing. Really?
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You surmise and presume a lot.
Why is it that anyone else, not named Nelsie, is supposed to be more careful about that, for you?
You could adapt to the world, or change it, but simple complaining isnāt on either path. Neither is character assassination on either path.
Stay stuck in the mud, or get out of the mudpit and work one path or the other. This advice is for everyone who is taking this very very seriously. But largely for you Nelsie.
How is insulting an actual person not worse than someone drawing a non-existent person in a way which insults you?
This topic is completely off topic. It is now closed. Go get some fresh air everyone.
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