She also needs a professional apologist lapdog running around for her like Giuliani is doing for Trump.
What are you basing this on? He got 3 million less votes than Clinton, so he didn’t even carry the party. Trump wanted to run against Sanders, which should tell you something - he knew about Americans’ inherent distrust of the word “socialism” (despite socialist policies benefitting them) and knew he could beat the “he wants to take your money and give it to the poors” drum that scares middle-america and undecideds. So if you’re going to make the case he’d be faring any better against Trump, you’ve got to make a better case than just declaring it.
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All the polls leading up to the end of the primary showed Sanders strong against Trump, and Clinton weak. And thats just how its played out. Clinton has too many hook points that allow Trump and the Republican publicity machine to chip away at her credibility. Sanders had none of these weak points. Everything they would attack him on - He’s a Communist!!! - boiled down to why he had broad support. Trump can’t undermine him by accusing him of being a socialist when we like him because he’s a socialist.
Yeah, Clinton won. She also cheated by colluding with the DNC. So fuck her.
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/68-year-old-man-punched-at-yard-sale-for-what-was-on-his-hat/
There has clearly been violence on both sides. But as far as I can tell, nobody has to run through a gamut of angry, violent protesters to listen to a HRC speech. To put up a “Trump” sign is to invite vandalism.
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Well, there’s worse people your kid could have run off with!
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I’ve said it repeatedly, Hillary is the one candidate that the Dems could have picked which would NOT result in a slam dunk win for them.
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Yup, Webb would’ve had a cakewalk
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She didn’t apologize. It was a “sorry, not sorry” and double down.
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Trump has insulted me on a weekly, sometimes daily basis for the past year. And been praised for it.
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Yup - so obvious, and entitled Clinton fans just don’t see it. Thats what happens when you believe the country owes you the presidency.
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There in lies the dangers of an “us vs them” mentality, as well as over generalizations.
I know people who will vote Trump not for him, but against Hillary. Against Democrats. They could have put a literal pile of shit on the ballot and they would still tick R. Doesn’t mean they are necessarily bigots, racists, or xenophobes. A lot of them are scared about certain issues. Personally I am still shocked Trump has the voter support he has. I am convinced anyone but Hillary would have his numbers lower. But their reasons for voting are more complex that just being deplorable people.
But anyway, one needs to use caution not to become what one hates. How many people have Anti-Muslim attitudes because of the actions some small factions? They don’t differentiate between the different sects of Islam, and lump them all together as “deplorable”.
So, don’t use the same sort of reasoning as the very people you find distasteful.
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If he couldn’t beat her in the primary, how correct were the polls? I think you live in a bubble and don’t realize most of middle America doesn’t actually know what socialism is, or the difference between socialism and democratic socialism. A large portion of them, apparently, are willing to support a bigot who wants to ban Muslims and build a giant wall, but you think they’ll be on board for “Communism” (in their mind)? I find that unlikely.
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Yeah, it kinda does. I don’t really give a shit how “complex their reasons” are-- if they’re voting for a racist, bigoted, xenophobe, then they have a hand in promoting that in the world. They don’t get to hand wave away their culpability in that just because they’re white and have the privilege of none of his shitty beliefs affecting them negatively.
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How many people have Anti-Muslim attitudes because of the actions some small factions? [/quote]
This is a bullshit false equivalence and you know it. There are over a billion Muslims in the world who have nothing to do with terrorism, living their lives quietly like the rest of us. We’re talking about Trump supporters being held accountable for their actions - supporting and voting for a racist, bigoted, xenophobe.
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Should have taken a leaf from M.P Dennis Skinner’s book.
"Half the Tory members opposite are crooks!"
He was then told to withdraw the remark.
“OK, half the Tory members aren’t crooks.”
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God I hate that movie.
Because it’s not obvious? Three million more people voted for Clinton over Sanders. She simply had more name recognition and support from her husband’s Presidency. You’re the one whining about how the country owes Sanders the presidency. Clinton is out there working her ass off to win it so the rest of us doing have a Cheeto penis as president.
Really, distilled down, “it’s so obvious” is just you ego stroking yourself for being so smart about something that you can never actually prove. No one can accurately predict how Sanders would’ve done against Trump. No one. Not in any regular election year (see also: Mondale) but especially not in a year against Trump, who defies all predictions and polls and punditry.
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Well that’s your own fault for being Black, Female, Gay, Mexican or having a social conscience of any kind. 
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A Muslim candidate wouldn’t.
This is late stage bigotry, at the national level.
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Not to mention Martin O’Malley, who’s a cheap Clinton substitute, or Lincoln Chafee, whom I forgot even existed.
I do believe Bernie Sanders would have had an easier time against Trump, though. Preliminary polls for Trump vs Sanders were worse for Trump than the same polls for Trump vs Clinton. Also, Trump gets much of his support by claiming to be anti-establishment. If an actual anti-establishment candidate runs, Trump can kiss that support goodbye.
I’m not saying Sanders would beat Trump with no problems in the general election, but I believe it would have been easier for him than for Clinton.
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Has Webb joined the Republicans yet?
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