Clinton's camp feared Joe Biden run, worked hard to kill it

… Well, he’s Vice President, so yeah, he’s exactly who got picked to take care of things if Obama died.

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Are superdelegates elected now? Huh, howzabouthat.

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That’s fair. You’re right about that. Although again, it’s an argument based on who the opposition is, rather than what she herself will do about it.

The way I see it, though, nothing is as important as climate change and income inequality- One, we’re talking about our literal extinction. The other, to be frank, is 80% of the time the mechanism by which women (and PoC for that matter) are devalued. Fixing that won’t solve sexism and racism overnight, but it would provide the necessary tools to end them- and without doing that first, I don’t think any other means will be effective.

This stuff didn’t even get mentioned in the debates.

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Considering Biden was basically picked by the Obama camp as a guarantor towards established powerbrokers in the party (very much including the Clintons), the idea that he would have run to the left of Hillary is clearly untenable. He would certainly have been more popular than Hillary among certain segments of the population who don’t like her; but next to Trump, he would have looked as “old establishment” as she does, without even being able to properly use the “women abuser” card like she can do now. Overall, I don’t think he would have made much of a difference.

The real game-changer would have been a good VP pick. For a candidate reeking of establishment, to pick another establishment-friendly guy with no populist appeal is just poor form. I can see the angle (“hey, the loonies are over there, we only have Serious People here!”), but there really was no need for it - whereas there is a real need to solidify her base on the left. Clinton was really lucky that not one but three parties (Republicans, Greens and Libertarians) all fielded insane candidates at the same time; but this sort of luck doesn’t last 4 years.

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I guess they’re too busy high-fiving over their impression that she’s only electable because she’s a woman and has no “issues” in her favor. Good god, the meninism burns.

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Then Biden would top it off with “the cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter” (speaking of The Maltese Falcon).

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I can think of an Independent Senator who might have done quite well against Trump, nearly jacking the Democratic party in the process

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The thing is it did. During that whole part where everyone screamed "see this is how she loses the election! BOOORING!’ (or is that just my family’s response when the issues came up). Trump doesn’t believe in Climate Change and his answer to income inequality is to take the policies that created it and do them harder. So hard. Just the best trickling! SAD. Hillary on the other hand believes in climate change and has acknowledged the causes of income inequality. Then offered detailed policy proposals on both. Whether you think they go far enough or will work in the first place is another thing.

Fact of the matter is its not Hillary’s fault this campaign isn’t about issues and policy. If nothing else she’s a classic policy geek. More than happy to offer a bulletted list on nearly any topic, and a binder full of stats. The minute it comes to that everyone else. Whether Trump, pundits, or the public. Starts freaking out about the sound of her voice, how she doesn’t inspire, how boring it all is. And the dancing monkeys come out.

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And instead of making it about the issues or even PAYING ATTENTION they further blame Hillary for Trump being a sexist and dominating the news.

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Opinions usually start with something like “Seems to me…” or “I think…” or “Some have said…”

Are superdelegates elected now? Huh, howzabouthat.

Superdelegates had nothing to do with the outcome. Sanders lost the popular vote. More actual people voted for Clitnon than voted for Sanders. Look it up.

Unless you’re saying the superdelegates should have defied the popular vote and gone for Sanders because of … reasons ?

Maybe the world isn’t actually a series of conspiracies. Maybe Sanders wasn’t as popular with the rest of the country as he was with you.

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Biden would have sailed away from Trump much earlier and faster than Hillary Clinton did.[/quote]

I wish I knew how to know stuff like this.

Easy?

What’s the most violent Tarantino movie? I think this election has been that movie. (If it’s Reservoir Dogs, then this election has already been like Reservoir Dogs.

(Although maybe I should actually see Reservoir Dogs.)

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With the added vinegar that yet another old white dude shoved a woman off the ticket again.

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Most violent in terms of body count and creative gore is probably Kill Bill (both parts). But the violence in Reservoir Dogs is… a lot more disconcerting. And you should absolutely watch it.

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More Democrats who voted in the primary voted for Clinton- And not that many more, at that. Polls showed that independents (currently around 40% of voters- a larger block than either party can claim) favored Sanders by a wide margin. [quote=“fluffitfluffit, post:73, topic:88217”]
Unless you’re saying the superdelegates should have defied the popular vote and gone for Sanders because of … reasons ?
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I mean, isn’t that the reason they have superdelegates in the first place- To pick the candidate most likely to win the general election? Instead they picked a candidate with more baggage (deserved or not) than a cruise ship. Sanders polled far better among the two largest voting blocks in the country- Independents and millennials- Both of which have a pretty low opinion of Clinton.

Forget everything else- When you have to spend most of your campaign convincing people that everything they believe about your candidate is wrong, you’re starting from behind. That’s just plain bad strategy regardless of who the candidate is.

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Sadly, that is all that matters.

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New Jersey’s own, Cory Booker. I will vote for him as many times as I can. I would follow him into a burning building. Literally. I saw what he was doing with Newark before he moved on up.

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It is certainly the home of many C corporation :heart:s.

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He also did some shady shit as a Senator. He couldn’t get the stupid and terrible RAVE Act passed on its own, so he attached it to the AMBER Alert bill that was obviously going to pass unanimously.

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