Co-founder of nudist anti-Putin group found dead in her Paris apartment

This poor girl deserve better than lies. She was rejected by the current members of Femens, she made several suicide attempt and was going through hard times in Paris. She left a note for her friends.

https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liberation.fr%2Ffrance%2F2018%2F07%2F24%2Foksana-chatchko-mort-d-une-femen-desabusee_1668516&edit-text=

What a tragedy. I wish Oksana Shachko could have kept up her protest for as long as necessary, because it’s clear from the state of Russia that Oksana Shachko’s work is far from finished. I hope others complete it in her name.

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Or maybe the tragedy of her death can be used to draw attention to the many worthy causes she supported through her life. Things like championing women’s rights under threat of death from men, including Putin, that strangely seem frightened of nude women.

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I’m inclined to think it wasn’t murder, at least by proxies of Putin - a suicide note would be counterproductive for that mob.

That’s why they use polonium and Novichok; the denials are intended to be completely implausible and are a mere formality.

(sic) Did you read the article ? … Libération is the number one french left newspaper. The Femens movement has been divided, some members rejected her and prevented her from accessing to the headquarters, she ended alone… But Putin is the problem ? Yeah, right… I’m lurking since 4 years, and this community can’t even handle facts from a irreproachable source, this is nuts. “who cares, let’s just “USE” her death for our agenda”. I can’t even imagine your reaction the day you’ll learn that many femens fondators come from far right ukrainians groups.

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Yes.

Her death was unfortunate and sad. And what’s worse is the support she lost in the end. If you or anyone you know who has had past issues with suicidal thoughts there are many avenues for you to reach out.

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Just because the group she was a part of had disagreements does not invalidate their cause. Women’s rights is a international issue.

Feminism is such a universal cause people of all sides of the political spectrum and across all ideologies support it? That sounds like horrible news. Also, annexation of a portion of your homeland by a foreign power does seem like a strong reason to enter the political sphere.

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Careful, you’re starting to sound like a femens fondator! :joy:

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If it lies like a femens…

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  huh?

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That would be surprising, since it’s false. To Russians, anything Ukrainian is far-right.

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For a group that has nothing to do with Putin, they sure don’t seem to like him much.(NSFW)

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het-trolls-2018

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And people trying to use his death for a cause that betrayed her.

I don’t remember saying the opposite. I do not have much in common with Femen’s enemies but I’m not going to stay silent when people talk shit about her. People of her cause ABANDONNED HER and the Femens have a toxic management, there’s many testimonials about it in the french news, like Caroline Fourest, a Femen supporter whom has been banned from a TV show after spreading many fake news.

Once more, I don’t remember saying the opposite. I’m just adding some facts in a topic with many people who
fantasize and instrumentalize a women’s death.

I’m french… Are you denying that Aleksandra Shevchenko had link with UNA and Svoboda ?

Putin’s smelly little finger prints are likely on this.

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Helpful hint: the presentation of two Wikipedia pages where her name doesn’t appear doesn’t establish any links (the Libération article doesn’t do so, either). If you’re trying to establish a connection between Shevchenko and one or both of those repulsive far-right Ukrainian nationalist parties you’ll have to cite a reputable source that does so. You’ll forgive the request, but on topics like this we have far too many new commenters here (and a few regulars) who are trolls, shills or useful idiots spreading disinformation on Putin’s behalf.

Knowing the messy politics of the region I’m not saying that a tenuous link is outside the realm of possibility. In general, though, ultra-nationalist right-wingers and fascists of any nationality as a rule frown upon close association and alliances with lefty feminist nudist protesters; it goes against the whole kinder küche kirche view they have of a woman’s place.

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Well, I have the perfect reputable source for you, the official Femen website… Femens used to perfectly show their participation to far right rallies, and then the articles mysteriously went offline…

Official Femen blog (waybackmachine archive) : FEMEN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_up,_Ukraine!

Don’t be naive, everyone know Ukraine have a painful history, people like Bandera are basically war heros for many ukrainiens despite the fact that he was a Nazi collaborator… Especially for far right militants from Svoboda, Right Sector, Azov, etc… For anyone interested in current and past eastern-Europe history, it is not that surprising…

Check my profile, I’m lurking BB since 4 years… Way before pro-russian trolling was a popular thing. We desagree ? Ok, but I’m not here to troll. I’m here to provide some informations with sources.

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Thanks for the link and photos. The translation isn’t that great but it sounds like Femen are opposed to nationalist thugs of any sort, including the “marginal guys” standing behind behind them in the photos (perhaps they were trying to bask in the Femen’s more prominent reputation).From articles like this one in Le Figaro it seems that Svoboda thugs often showed up at protests where Femen were the main event, mainly to harrass pro-Russian politicians.

All this is far from definitive evidence for your claim that “Aleksandra Shevchenko had link with UNA and Svoboda”. To compare, in 2003 I attended demonstrations where various far-left nutters were present; to claim on that basis that I have links to Hamas supporters or anarchists would be quite a stretch given my own politics.

Here are a couple of articles that detail the Femen’s politics, one from Slate France and another from Huffpo France. Other than sharing a desire to see Ukraine free of Russian influence and expansionism and their opposition to Islamic fundamentalism (for the Femen a subset of their opposition to all religion, including the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churches) their political agendas are quite antagonistic.

I certainly do know that and am not sure why you’re characterising someone who asked for a citation as “naive”. I don’t deny the existence of or make excuses for the current Ukrainian far-right or their lionisation of murderous Nazi collaborators like the Ukrainian Hiwis.

What I also know is that there are also liberal Ukrainians who are opposed to Russia’s far-right expansionist agenda who deplore Svoboda and their ilk (including counterparts abroad like United Russia); based on her behaviour I assume Shevchenko falls into that category.

I did check your profile. Unfortunately we’ve had a lot of long-dormant accounts here suddenly come to vivid and insistent life in order to spread FUD in Russia-related threads.

The only disagreement I have with you at the moment is your still-unsupported claim about Aleksandra Shevchenko being linked to UNA and Svoboda.

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Okay I’ll bite; why make an account, just to “lurk?”

And why the sudden interest in commenting so emphatically, just now?

No other topic has merited a response in that entire time?

Odd coincidence, isn’t it?

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Maybe lurk a little more, before you accuse Femen, as a whole, of being far-right neo-fascist.

And, really, I’m willing to give any Ukrainian the benefit of the doubt, being that they had been under Russian hegemony for the past 500 years, and are even now essentially at war with Russia.

Fascism thrives in situations of chaos, dearth and conflict-- a condition Russia has done everything to foster and sustain. The thing Russia would dislike most in Ukraine is a successful democratic state, prosperous and free of internal turmoil. They’d much rather have the neo-fascists, since such a regime would not respect minority rights and give Russia an excuse to “protect” minorities in Eastern Ukraine.

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