A Chinese journal, under government bureaucratic editorial control?
Heh. (I don’t even postulate some grand Chinese conspiracy, just one bureaucrat.)
As opposed to what, exactly?
1 Like
As opposed to finding unretracted studies in legitimate journals that support the point we want to make. Repeating stuff with no basis on the grounds that it supports the point in which we believe sounds like the other camp.
A Chinese journal, under government bureaucratic editorial control?
Another reason to not quote the study, even if it wasn’t retracted. The retraction isn’t evidence of its correctness, whatever the reason.
3 Likes
I’ll grant that I’m super cranky right now, and not reacting at my best. The AZ shot caused a fever and shivering the night after, no big deal: a Tylenol, extra blanket and a glass of warm ginger ale handled that. But that set off my MHT, which is like lots of micro muscle cramps, leaving me feeling like I’d overdone a total body workout. (In a day or so I’ll feel great, having done a total body workout.)
I believe that I read the study before it was pulled. It seemed like good solid contact tracing work, with little reason to doubt the reporting.
It was pulled, sure, but it should have been a red flag to test the conventional wisdom that it was big globs of traveling stuff that falls down in six feet. Another flag was asymptomatic spreaders, because they’re obviously not sneezing or coughing. Yet another flag should have been reports from various super-spreader events. Things that should have been checked.
And here we are a year later, and there’s still resistance to the idea that it could be drifting aerosols.
11 Likes
I agree 100% that there is plenty of good science now supporting the role of aerosolization in the spread of Covid. I don’t understand how anyone serious can question it at this point.
Good luck with the jab aftereffects! (I had some too, but nothing like you describe.)
9 Likes
It doesn’t really count as a jab aftereffect. It’s more of a genetic nag to get out and exercise more.
4 Likes
Welcome to Club AZ 
I had the most intense fever chills of my life beginning almost precisely twelve hours after the shot.
They only lasted about three hours, and there were almost no other side effects for me at all. It was mostly just interesting.
5 Likes
9 Likes
Henning Wehn is not among them. He’s not a complete idiot, I would wager.
There is a list, but no international names are among them. Ulrich Tukur might have the highest profile, Jan-Josef Liefers is probably the most well-known among them. Several are playing main characters on the nearly-weekly criminal proceedings program “Tatort”, which is very popular and a household name in germanophone countries.
You can skip the list, but if you are seriously interested:
Tina Maria Aigner, Gianna Valentina Bauer, Martin Brambach, Volker Bruch, Dietrich Brüggemann, Jörg Bundschuh, Joseph Bundschuh, Samia Dauenhauer, Nadine Dubois, Roland Düringer, Christian Ehrich, Werner Eng, Inka Friedrich, Markus Gläser, Bernd Gnann, Cem Ali Gültekin, Nina Gummich, Kea Könneker, Vicky Krieps, Jan Josef Liefers, Maxim Mehmet, Thorsten Merten, Wotan Wilke Möhring, Ben Münchow, Nicholas Ofczarek, Kathrin Osterode, Jeana Paraschiva, Nina Proll, Claudia Rippe, Manuel Rubey, Katharina Schlothauer, Christine Sommer, Miriam Stein, Karoline Teska, Ulrich Tukur, Nadja Uhl, Jens Wawrczeck, Monika Anna Wojtyllo, Ramin Yazdani, Hanns Zischler. Nicht mehr dabei sind und zum Teil distanziert haben sich: Pasquale Aleardi, José Barros, Meret Becker, Peri Baumeister, Ken Duken, Ulrike Folkerts, Felix Klare, Heike Makatsch, Alexandra Marinescu, Nicholas Ofczarek, Trystan Pütter, Kostja Ullmann. Richy Müller.
This is really beyond pitiful.
3 Likes
FTR: Cologne is where DW is situated.
Incidentally, it’s my family’s home town, and I have got a sibling living there.
This is a long piece, but I would really welcome thoughts from abroad on this.
It is no good at all to read all the German, Austrian and Swiss stuff and having the feeling that the world looks at our perspective and shakes its head at us in silence and despair.
4 Likes
7 Likes
Getting tied up in a single study is a particular bugaboo of mine. Whether the bus study was retracted is kind of immaterial, because there has been copious evidence from the get-go that the beast can be easily aerosolized. I have railed about relying on a single study to draw conclusions before, and will again. Personally, I thought the bus study was a reasonable report of an event, I don’t know why it was retracted, but that had no bearing on my judgement about the danger because there was lots more research out there.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02058-1
WHO has been uniquely resistant to acknowledging this mode of transmission
I do not know why this is the case, but on balance, the number of reliable journals publishing well-done articles supporting the risk of aerosols makes the case clear to me, at least.
16 Likes
I do NOT appreciate seeing that word in the Coronavirus thread. Not at all.
2 Likes
India is currently, unintentionally and unwillingly, answering Sen. Ron Johnson’s question about “Why should you care if your neighbor gets vaccinated?”
22 Likes
That may be true overall but the details of who is at most risk for what still matter.
So about 1.5 deaths per million women in that age group.
The case fatality rate for that demographic is something like 0.3 to 0.4%. So for one million cases that would be something like 4000 deaths (maybe). The ratio of 1.5 to 4000 still points strongly towards the vaccine being worth the risk (particularly when alternatives aren’t available) but it’s nowhere near a 1 to 35000 ratio.
6 Likes
Eschaton
Saturday, April 24, 2021
Vaccinate The World
Invalidate the patents, nationalize the companies (even buying them at fair value), force mandatory licensing, whatever. I don’t particularly care how, but "welp, the plague is going to kill millions more and also make international travel impossible forever because of the sanctity of intellectual property laws as currently accepted in 2021 " is not really a defensible approach.
But it will be defended.
10 Likes
I’m about a week and a half past my first vaccine shot (Moderna) and the lymph nodes (I presume?) in the armpit of the arm where I got the shot are swollen and sore. Nothing life altering, just uncomfortable, but I was wondering if anyone else has had or heard about this side effect?
It could be completely unrelated to the shot…
13 Likes
Very common symptom; you have nothing to worry about.
If you were planning on getting a mammogram in the next 6 months or so, be sure to let them know you were vaccinated and had that side effect: apparently there can also be affects in breast tissue that show up in mammograms and look scary but are not.
21 Likes
I didn’t experience this after either dose, but I thought I read somewhere that annual mammograms need to be postponed several months with Moderna:
@anon67050589 got there first 
18 Likes
Thanks! And @subextraordinaire
I haven’t been keeping up on side effects, except anecdotally, so you’ve set my mind at ease on this lovey Saturday. 
14 Likes
Yep. If there was no alternative, it would still be worth vaccinating. But since there are alternatives, I’m rather surprised they aren’t contraindicating the J&J for the at-risk demographic of women from 18 to 49.
7 Likes
