Continuing coronavirus happenings (Part 3)

This confuses me. I thought the Merck trials had poor results in the end, too:

FTA (emphasis mine):

Merck’s drug, molnupiravir, developed with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, was shown to reduce hospitalizations and deaths by around 30% in a clinical trial of high-risk individuals early in the course of the illness.

It’s use at home, by people at risk who have “mild-to-moderate COVID-19.” What does that mean? Tested positive, but don’t feel sick enough to go to the hospital?

Confused Thinking GIF

For those who won’t have interactions with their other medications:

Pfizer’s drug, Paxlovid, was authorized on Wednesday for people aged 12 and older and has shown to be nearly 90% effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths in patients at high risk of severe illness

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This is some interesting data parsing.

Omicron cases less likely to require hospital treatment, studies show | Ars Technica

tl;dr: It seems that omicron is less likely to put folks in the hospital, although the number of vaccinated people getting infected may be a confounding variable here, but if you are hospitalized, you are just as likely to progress to severe disease as with delta. Other confounding variables noted are an unexpectedly large number of younger folks getting infected, and, of course, small, preliminary numbers.

“It is primarily young and vaccinated people who are infected with Omicron, and when we adjust for this, we see no evidence that Omicron should result in milder disease,” said Henrik Ullum, director of the Statens Serum Institut, Denmark’s public health agency, in a press conference on Wednesday.

Yeah, what he said.

Given the large number of unvaccinated people in the US, I suspect that our numbers will be less cheerful than what is seen elsewhere. I will stand by my previous statement that we may be in trouble with this one.

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Deer are always outdoors. Hmm.

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I wonder what would happen if we treated this stuff like half the country treats a deadly pandemic. I mean only 10 people infected and just one person dead. What’s with the recall and all the fear mongering? Your chances of dying are 1 in 300 million so just go ahead and eat the darn salad.

Ten people have become infected and there have been 10 hospitalizations in eight states, including Michigan. One death has been reported.

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I guarantee you someone is lobbying for this unironically.

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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1474127687354626055

On Wednesday, both Fox & Friends and The Five broadcast from remote locations, prompting Jesse Watters to grouse that he and his Five colleagues weren’t sitting at their trademarked table. “So, I think we all have to acknowledge here we’re in boxes,” he sighed, using studio jargon. “We don’t want to be in boxes. We hate being in boxes. We resisted being in boxes. We were told to be in a box out of an abundance of caution, just to get us through the holidays and, hopefully, we will be back to the normal table situation when we return from said holiday.”

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They choose the most obvious day to reschedule the concert to make their fans way too happy

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ETA 2: This is getting a bit meta, please do not fret. I replied to this a post by @Jesse13927, to which I reacted and pointed out that his darkly sarcastic reference to tattooed numbers made me feel very uneasy. He asked me if he should remove it and apologized, and wrote that I rather would like it be stay up. Now it is gone.

[Since the OP was deleted after community flagging, I removed my link to it here, which for some reason was still visible. @moderators, I would appreciate advice if I should take down my whole post, as Jesse suggested in a personal communication.]

/End ETA2

Coming back to your post, and why I don’t think it is necessary to remove it.

Reflecting on my post, while I replied out of a visceral urge to share this feeling with the community, I think that maybe my posts here might possibly make a casual reader stop scrolling for a second and think about the historical background

I am of the opinion that I need to feel the empathy which makes me deeply uncomfortable with that bitter, deep sarcasm. I thus want to feel this way.

I said I could contextualise your post.

I understood your sarcasm. I am quite sure your aim is to have a jab (pun intended) at people feeding conspiracy bullshit to others. Equating evidence-based health measures with neo-fascist control phantasies is dangerous, and the exaggeration you used makes that visible.

We shook our heads at the microchip injection bullshit early in the pandemic, but most of us did not take this kind of bullshit seriously. The very same group of people (not necessarily the same individuals) also made and make allegations that their freedom is in danger. For various reasons including visibility, the Alibidebatte du jour is still about masks (I think this mixture of a German term with a French expression is appropriate and fitting here, but basically I couldn’t resist).

I think at the basis of the fears which find an expression in the COVID denial bullshit, the face mask Alibidebatte and the anti-vaxers protests is the idea of government overreach, the fear of perfect government control over the population, and the individual. You can find this in any part of the political spectrum, I perceive.

What I think being really problematic here is that the very same groups were and are terrible at distancing themselves from neo-fascists, often embracing them and being taken over by them. Their worldview might internally be perceived as conservative or as well as liberal, even as leftist, but their imagery, their tropes, their policies above all are not. They are often neo-fascist, or revisionist “conservative” talking points.

There are necessary debates which already take place or will take place soon. In Germany, e.g., the idea of a central register for vaccination status is a tricky one, especially before the historical background. The idea of an Impfpflicht ist another tricky one, albeit less so, because it is distinguish from Impfzwang. Both translate to “compulsory vaccination”, but Zwang would be enforced physically, i.e. vaccination by force, while Impfpflicht would be enforced by penalising non-adherence financially.

However, the overblown fearmongering your post takes the piss on is not part of that debate.

Sorry for the long-winded post. I hope it covers where I’m coming from.

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Your post seems very thought out, but appears to be a response to someone and loses context without that frame of reference.

ETA: now that I know the context, yeah. Wow. Not a joking matter, and I’m with you. I hear you.

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i actually can see how deer, sleeping and eating next to each other all day could pass it - but how did they get it in the first place?

when people have deer for dinner, it’s usually not for the conversation

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Too much deer kissing by hunters.

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Yes, it’s just like a cold. I want to catch it a few times a year.

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Christ. So, I just got a call from the pharmacy that did my Pfizer booster and they said that they reconstituted it improperly by using a preservative (which apparently goes against CDC guidelines) and now I need to go back again for a re-immunization. FML.

For anybody here in the medical profession does this pass the sniff test? Do I really need to go through with this again?

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mRNA is really unstable, and screwing up the diluent makes the potency completely unreliable. In short, yup, you gotta get re-jabbed. Sorry, man.

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It’s reasonable for a German citizen to become upset by jokes about tattooing QR codes on people

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So far Delta was the worst Covid wave in Oregon

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Again, I apologize for the feelings that my joke evoked in you. It was meant as an off-the-cuff remark that was trying to make fun of antivax conspiracy theories and the tone-deaf (but good-natured) “solution” being proposed by the company in Sweden. Had I taken a moment to consider the historical (and, indeed, very current) implications of such tattoos, I would definitely not have made that joke. But I did not take the time to consider, and I am very sorry for that.

I really do appreciate your taking the time to break down and explain how and why my comment made you feel the way that it did and I fully agree with your assessment. I know you said that you did not wish for me to take it down, but it was taken down without me and I think that we can all agree that this is probably for the best. In the future, I will try to be more careful around such delicate topics because, regardless of my intent, how my jokes make people feel matters.

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