Yikes! Not helping there, man 
But yeah, Iāve got a kind of awesome co-parent going into this, so Iām stoke. And now Iām dropping this digression 'cause itās sort of derailing the thread.
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Luckily for you, itās pretty rare. I only know one baby in my group of friends/family with recent babies (say, the last 5-6 years, approximately 15 babies or so) that was collicky.
Bah, weāve got two threads about the same depressing thing. Might as well make one of them about something fun, like new parenthood 
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That was fun? While there are days I do miss the interaction and fun of being around the little ones I definitely do not want to do that 24/7 ever again.
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Itās fun to think about somebody else going through it, instead of me. Twice was enough, TYVM. Hell, weāve done some overnight babysitting for our friends with young kids (not newborns, but under 1) and that one night was PLENTY. Any rose-coloured memories of snuggling with my own babies? Quickly wiped out.
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Sheās a fucking child. If anyone did this to my child Iād fucking kill them. Fuck cops who assault or murder CHILDREN.
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The guy apparently is a roided up savage, who boasts a 600lb bench press. If he canāt take a few slaps about the head then he needs to get a refund from the horsedoctor who earns his keep injecting RA drugs into the copās scrotum.
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he certainly shouldnāt have been āprotectingā children then.
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Why didnāt she comply? Why did she create a situation in which it became necessary for her to physically ā¦ well, physically anything? Simple words like āLeave the classroomā were not heeded, so ā¦ what next? What SHOULD the teacher have done? Simply ceded her authority to whomever was willing to be the most obnoxious? The most defiant?
There are many situations in which authority abuses its power and does terrible things to people. This isnāt one, near as I can tell. If you physically defy someone in authority they must subdue you. There isnāt a choice. If they refuse their duty then they have, themselves, abdicated authority and handed it over to children.
Iām not sure how easy it is to remove a defiant 17 year old, safely, from a chair. I bet itās hard when theyāre fighting back. I dunno ā¦ the child wasnāt seriously hurt, she was acting a fool, and she was defying authority. Hope this turns into a life lesson for her - if you Fight The Machine, be ready to lose in the short term.
That is so authoritarian it makes me sick. What a cowardly and morally lazy method of reasoning. What if such an authority tells you to do something illegal, morally reprehensible, and harmful to you? For no reason. Out of the blue? Firstly, itās most likely fraud. But if it did happen that way, should you obey tools of the state who are derelict from the duties and permissions of their post?
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Thatās slippery slope reasoning.
āLeave the classroomā is not illegal, morally reprehensible nor harmful.
But if that does happen then I refer you to the last sentence of my post:
āā¦a life lesson for her - if you Fight The Machine, be ready to lose in the short term.ā Thatās what happens if someone in authority tells you to do something wrong and you defy them. Youāre going to lose in the short term. If your cause is just, and the authority is truly invalid, then you will win out eventually.
But this case is not that case. As I said āThere are many situations in which authority abuses its power and does terrible things to people. This isnāt one, near as I can tell.ā
So, fight the good fight but only when it is appropriate. She was told to leave the classroom, she refused. She was not seriously harmed despite putting herself in harms way. There was no way to remove her from the situation without becoming physical, which she actively resisted.
Please donāt pretend this is more than what it is. It belittles the actual crimes that people in authority commit.
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Cute. And an effective method of communication.
You donāt get it. Violent Physical force isnāt justifiable in the face of an adolescentās passive disobedience. I highly doubt you bend your 17 year old daughter over your knee and paddle her ass when you catch her out with friends smoking. Thatād be barbaric and backward and youād be perhaps a weird deviant fucker, hopelessly delusional about the effectiveness of such punishment, or just really, really stupid.
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Iām new, but I try to be objective and share my arguments in an appropriate, mature, manner. I donāt believe in letting the culture of a space limit free expression.
I had a post half-written quoting Rob and you alternately, but you did it best quoting yourself!
He keeps saying, āwhat else could be done?ā, and you have it right there.
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Police have to restrain on their own all the time. Perhaps schools shouldnāt use police officers this way, but if youāre a hammer everything looks like a nail. He fell back on his training - why did the teacher need to reach out to him for help?
Iāve heard the ādeprive them of an audienceā argument before but itās a leap of faith to say that this would have changed the situation. He may well have needed to physically remove her from the seat, even if it were just the two of them. And then it would have been her word vs. his without any video.
Also still donāt know what precipitated this, so she could have been hurting herself or others.
FTFY.
The teacher didnāt. The assistant principle did. We havenāt enough information to determine whether the student was a threat to herself or others before the cop showed up. But when he sauntered in she wasnāt a threat to anyone.
Youāre joking right? If you move the students to 30 feet down the hall, she now has no audience, and the students are given a chance to stretch their legs. The whole point is that moving people is a change to the situation. Jeeze, maybe you meant to say something completely different than what you just said?
Name off some scenarios that are plausible given the extensive video evidence. I wonāt hold my breath. Because Iāll be laughing at your attempt.
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No, thanks. I think my discourse with you has run its course.
But youāre correct that I mispoke here:
I should have said:
Iāll have to resume this after I calm down a little bit.
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Thanks.
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