At this point, its almost like there’s something wrong with the basket, rather than with the apples in it.
Just kidding. Most of the apples are a shitshow too.
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Maybe, but I thought it sounded familiar.
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Yes, and that’s different from it being illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater. As the article I linked to says, it’s all about context. So, my point stands–it’s not illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater. It’s illegal to induce panic. One does not necessarily lead to the other, and there for one is protected, the other isn’t.
it rarely gets that far. a prosecutor has to make a decision to press charges, but if they do so they risk alienating the very people ( the cops ) they work with day after day, case after case.
it’s a flaw in the system. probably there needs to be a state level prosecutor who looks at every leo shooting - not prosecutors at the local level.
( id be curious if there are other countries that do it better, and if so how they work it )
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better to reply with a question. “good evening officer. why? what’d you pull me over for?”
if you answer “no” that too can be used against you, being unaware of your speed, etc. better to ask questions than state answers.
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I’d have to guess that we’re in a unique (or rare) situation. No one does it “better” than us, because
- LEO shootings don’t happen enough (or, at all) to a degree that this would be an issue, or
- The target is simply disappeared, or gulag’d etc., but no one hears about it nor feels safe asking.
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I like to imagine that I will respond with:
“Officer, I’m sure you’ll tell me when it’s appropriate.”
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Regardless, the cop is an asshole.
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Yep. Nail on the head. If a cop decides to murder you, your only hope is a change of heart, or a “good cop” who let the situation get to this point is able to diffuse the cop that wants to murder you.
But you obviously can’t count on the police to do the right thing.
So yeah. You’re fucked.
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It is pretty shocking how afraid people are to think for themselves. I think this is because (a) it is a skill, and requires practice to be decent at it, and (b) frequently leads to doubt and uncertainty, which make people uncomfortable.
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And c) they don’t routinely encounter this type of threat on a daily basis and are insulated from the consequences
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is always the most bullshit thing isn’t it? the legal equivalent of “because i said so”.
cops aren’t allowed to just order civilians around however they want on a whim.
this person almost died because they didn’t exit a parking lot fast enough. f’n’a
yeah, his choices were to make his life more difficult by not complying and be more likely to keep his life, or comply and roll some pretty heavily weighted dice.
he has too much melanin for cops to be comfortable with him even owning non gun shaped things like cellphones, tv remotes, flashlights, hair brushes, let alone an actual gun. the NRA unfortunately is even worse.
only the whitest white can carry assault rifles into fast food restaurants. smdh.
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In all honesty, neither do cops. They love to talk up how dangerous their job is, but it fails to breach the top 10 deadliest, and nearly all of their fatalities are road accidents from getting away with criminally bad driving.
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Wow. That officer is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Too bad it’d take an act of god to get anything into a courtroom through this crooked system.
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Yeah, my dad is retired MO State Highway Patrol. I don’t ever remember hearing of a weapon being discharged in his troop in his 30 years. I do, however remember when the police equipment catalogues he’d receive started advertising non-lethal weapons like tasers and bean-bag rounds and military-style tactical gear. This disease has very specific origins including:
And:
The last is why the officer in the video tried to establish “evidence” that he feared for his life and had probable cause to execute him on the spot.
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Too bad if there is a lawsuit it’ll just be shouldered by the city/county and he’ll never be personally liable even if he lises and the defendant is awarded treble damages worth millions of dollars.
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Well, about half. But your point is well taken.
In the data for 2014, cab drivers were more likely to die from gunshot on the job than police.
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Really? Under the Arkansas code, resisting arrest is as far as I can tell either a Class A or Class B felony depending on whether physical force is alleged to have been used.
Class A - up to 1 year in jail.
Class B - up to 90 days.
As for failure to comply, I haven’t been able to track down the actual statute provision for any such offense in Arkansas law but I’m sure there is one…and I doubt the maximum provision is 24 hours in jail and being let off with a stern talking to.
I mean, you’re right, they are bullshit charges the police add on to anything because they can and it might justify an otherwise unjustifiable arrest. But just because they are bullshit charges doesn’t mean one shouldn’t take them very seriously indeed.
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Yeah this cop got busted quick. Very smart driver.
You can see the cop’s expression and body stiffness when he realises he’s been caught on film, as he pieces together the future review session. He shouts gun, his team back him up, but shit there’s footage that will need to disappear, which means screwing with evidence trails, which will cast yet another shadow over his service, maybe ending up out of the service like his friend did.
The driver was smart never to allow his hands back into the car. The cop is wired and anxious (when he shouts “gun” there is a massive lack of conviction, and his voice raises uncontrollably in pitch, exhibiting the anxious conflict he’s suffering), and the driver knows the cop can provide legal cover if those hands go back in - the interior is dark enough “arguably” that the cop could “interpret” any movement as reaching for a weapon.
The cop has no regard whatsoever for the life in front of him - he’s rapidly awkward and anxious, and at minimum demeaned in front of his colleagues. They’re gonna laugh at him (probably again).
I reckon in the number plate check interaction the data advised them the owner of the car was a registered gun holder. So in the process of looking busy and useful, the squad of cops have established a kind of probable cause to shout gun, and therefore to enter the “valid gun counter-measures” phase of the interaction.
The driver was smart, the cop was outfoxed, but there was a moment of huge risk there for the driver. I’d hope to have the presence of mind to call for every witness to film the situation.
Mind you, the cops now have this guy’s number. That’s worrying.
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