Yeah, I think that’s apt.
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It’s a good real-life illustration of Popper’s Paradox: tolerate Nazis in your bar too long and before you know it you have yourself a Nazi bar.
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i mean, there was a plan to attack the capitol, that’s just plain out in the open. it’s only the depth of involvement and the specific intentions of people like cruz, hawley, and trump’s various appointees that seems in question.
and, my take is that it’s unlikely the split into the two chambers was part of that plan. probably they assumed everyone would be all together.
there’s also the state of the votes themselves, which probably would have been a target by some. ( though i really think they probably cared less about the votes in the box than capturing and controlling the legislature itself. )
https://twitter.com/SenJeffMerkley/status/1346938705932648451
i dont know how it works. if they were in the senate chambers the whole time, or moved around when congress moved around.
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Right, and the article indicates the people on the ground at the Capitol (not all of them, but enough) who had the most real time information and the power to do something about it definitely did not take it seriously.
The more details I learn about the Jan 6th event, the more worried I get. There is a little bit of hope in this article:
This is what you need to absorb: QAnon and “stop the steal” are forever associated with a violent attack against the United States. Maybe that’s not what it’s meant to you, maybe you think that’s a misread of last week’s events, but that’s how the real Deep State, a lot of elected officials, and much of the public sees it.
If that isn’t what you signed up for, now would be a good time to get out.
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But WE need to take this seriously, too, and put pressure on our elected officials whoever they are, to do the same. Especially if we have republican officials at the federal level (which I guess I at least no longer do?).
But my overall point is that there was coordination. It was not just a random, spun up mob. There was intention all the way down, and that needs to be taken into consideration. We have a large group of radicalized white men (primarily, though some white women and even a few people of color) who are actively seeking to overturn an election. The siege on the capitol is over, but there is a still a danger going forward to the 20th and well beyond that. And all of this is not just from trump, it’s from years of white power groups organizing for just such a candidate as Trump that they knew would have serious appeal to a large percentage of the electorate. He took their talking points, employed them and became President and is now trying to over throw the election that he just lost because enough people could no longer stomach him representing us.
If the “real” deep state is now awake (which it was plenty awake when it came to Muslims for a while now, despite Islamists not posing nearly as serious a day to day threat as white supremacists), that doesn’t they’ll necessarily do the work of dismantling white supremacist networks which are a clear and present danger to our country. Their lack of focus on this problem IS part of the problem here.
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% agree – that’s my major hope for the outcome from this Jan 6th event. That they (FBI/CIA/etc) actually focus on internal terrorist threats and treat them with the same conviction that they treat external threats.
Now that we have a new president who isn’t actively supporting these groups, maybe that can finally happen?
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I think this is ultimately what happened at the entrances. but your words echo exactly what these guys can be seen doing outside. Sliding through the crowd.
Hopefully I got the video queued to the right spot.
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FTFY
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Additionally
as I said: the more we learn, the worse this gets.
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Block’s video shows that Proud Boys leaders were down in the area by the Capitol at least 40 minutes before Trump had even started speaking at the main event by the Washington Monument.
Could the Proud Boys have been part of the “big dumb mob” that possibly got in the way of the organized terrorists reaching Congress in session? That would be too perfect!
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Oh, they had help alright:
[https://www.chron.com/news/article/A-Stop-the-Steal-organizer-now-banned-by-15866621.php]
Weeks before a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, right-wing activist Ali Alexander told his followers that he was planning something big for Jan. 6.
Alexander, who organized the “Stop the Steal” movement, said he hatched the plan - coinciding with Congress’s vote to certify the electoral college votes - alongside three GOP lawmakers: Reps. Andy Biggs, Ariz., Mo Brooks, Ala., and Paul Gosar, Ariz., all hard-line Trump supporters.
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Those same GOPers were observed giving recon tours to some of the insurrectionist leaders the day before the coup v1.
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Argument from incredulity.
We have evidence that GOP members were communicating privileged info to the insurrectionists.
And your response isn’t to give a counterargument to dispute the evidence, but rather to say: “but that would implicate the GOP in a crime and I don’t believe they could do that”
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poster rallying for Armed March in washington 17Jan:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ1ZkZ1HvG8/?igshid=yiu51or76wu6
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I was almost hoping the link was going to get me rick-rolled.
Talk about living in a post-truth era. Everything that poster says about standing up for democracy, etc., I would go to that rally.
This thing happening next week, this is not that rally.
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Reeks of astroturf too.
Makes sure not to say a single specific thing. Just that “mah rights and freedoms” and “we gotta do sumthin”
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When marching to defend one’s rights, it’s usually better not to go armed. Especially in places where carrying a firearm is illegal.
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used to say vote for a republican and you get what you deserve.
now I say go to trumps armed march and you will get what you deserve.
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With what we’ve learned, and continue to learn about the Trumpsurrection, I would posit this:
The Republican Party is done as a political party in the USA.
Moderate Republicans need to get out now.
I would suggest the organizational death penalty for the GOP:
- Seize all assets associated with the RNC, RSC, RHC, and all individual Republican politicians’ election war chests.
- Current GOP Congresspeople who were involved in planning the insurrection should be removed, prohibited from holding public office for life, and be prosecuted for sedition.
- Current GOP Congresspeople who were assisting the insurrection through challenging the election results (this is the Cruzes and Hawleys, if they happened to not fit in the above once all the evidence surfaces) should be removed and be prohibited from holding office for life.
- Current GOP Congresspeople who failed to vote for impeachment should be removed and prohibited from holding public office for 10 years.
- The entirety of 45’s Cabinet at the time of the insurrection should be removed from office, prohibited from holding public office for life, and any corporation they are associated with should be barred from receiving government contracts or public monies of any kind. Any 3rd party acting as a middleman for disbursement of public funds to them should receive the same lifetime ban.
The above would be a measured, civilized response to what has transpired. A harsher alternative would be imprisonment and/or execution of all traitors in the party. I’m not down with that, but that is the proportionate response to how extremely they are whining about losing Twitter followers.
The GOP should go the way of the Whigs and Federalists.
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We are facing 4 years of terrorism in support of the republican party. Just as republicans do anything they can to sabotage progress under democratic presidents, their new terrorism wing will do everything possible to make life hell in American for the next four years, so republican candidates can campaign on “Democrats can not control this violence” and “law and order”, even giving weak condemnation of the terrorists as trump has when they know full well the violence is for their benefit.
More violence is coming this week, all across the country. We have to treat as we would treat any terrorist - hunt them down and destroy them.
The Whigs and the Federalists faded - the GOP needs to go not like that, but more like a terrorist organization.
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