No shit. Assault me AND my partner?!? That guy would have been gazpacho on the pavement if he’d done that to me and mine.
And what kind of idiot tries to start a fist fight with someone basically wearing armor? I got a little in to it with some drunk guy in a parking lot, nothing physical but he was trying to provoke me and said “Come on man! Take of your helmet!” and I was thinking what a stupid idea.
Is it just about lane splitting? Did the motorcyclist cut him off abruptly or make a middle finger gesture?
A. Doesn’t matter.
B. According to the interview included in the video, all he did was ride by on his motorcycle.
Of course not! But I might reach into their car and throw their keys down the curb. No harm to the driver or vehicle, but they get some calm time to think about traffic safety.
And you might very well have all of eternity to think about the last dumb mistake you ever made.
Like experiencing vehicular homicide? No thanks!
The traffic laws are on the books for all to read, so when somebody explicitly refuses them, I don’t let them drive. They agreed to them to get their “license”. If I were to let them drive, I would be complicit in a crime, and perhaps the death or injury of others.
Have you tried this since you arrived on Earth?
I think that all motorcycle/bicycle threads should utilize Echochamber.
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Too many times. It can be stressful, but sometimes it gets rather humorous.
After I got Tralfamadoored.
In big cities with predominantly road based transport it makes complete sense for motorcycles to filter to the front of traffic. Disallow that and you are just creating more traffic.
I see no reason why someone’s physics on the road should dominate someone else’s physics, when they don’t actually interfere.
I have never had a motorcycle, but I encountered this daily as a bicycle messenger. When I was in good shape, I was often going my maximum 30-40 MPH in city traffic. Every day I would encounter people who made a point to pass me simply because I was on a bike. But I was going faster than them on average, so we’d end up leapfrogging each other through traffic, and some of them did actually get hot about this. It’s real cognitive dissonance for some people! They see one guy on a bike going 5 MPH, then they see me going 35 MPH and it does not compute.
I will admit to being stepping razor on wheels in those times, but I was encountering several potentially fatal scenarios per hour. And police did not care one bit, they were only willing to budge once an actual collision happened, which would have been too late for me. If I had to choose between drastic action which could get me arrested, or something less imposing which could have me dead or crippled, I knew which one I’d choose. It was a learning process for everybody!
I thought, man, that you believed that all laws were, you know, just conventions and maybe we don’t have to follow them if we didn’t acquiesce to be citizens and all, right?
You go from the Dude to Judge Dredd when convenient? So much for the new social order.
Why would you think that? It certainly isn’t what I’ve said. Convention, law, and citizenship are all choices, decisions to be navigated. Perhaps this seems contradictory to you because you assume that accountability is one-way. I don’t tell people what to do, but I keep them to their own word. If a person signs off on being a licensed driver, it means that they accept and agree to the terms involved. That’s not my say-so, it’s theirs.
But it does fit nicely into my larger concerns about people’s ability and willingness to actively negotiate their dealings in life. If people agree to driving laws that they break, or a Facebook EULA they can’t abide, then this indicates that the average person is increasingly feeling that they can’t negotiate for themselves, and is more probably going to settle or lie, which I think is problematic.
Dude… don’t make me toss my cookies!
Except when you rip the keys from their car? Sounds like theft to me!
I think these strange thoughts about your beliefs because you’re always going on about how you don’t need to follow the laws or do what police want because these are just conventions you never signed up for.
Just because someone went through the process to get a license doesn’t mean they signed up for some a-hole to say “Citizen, you are not obeying my understanding of the Law so I am taking your keys from you!!”
Do you yell “Citizens Arrest!” when you do it? You’re not the cops and what you’re doing may be considered some form of assault (or the drive may claim you were all over them when they defended themselves by punching you in the face).
Or, to rephrase, if some dude reaches in my window when I’m stopped at a light and attempts to remove the keys from my car (to throw on the ground), I’m going to assume I’m being car jacked and either:
a) floor it
b) jack the window up hard and fast
c) introduce mr. fist to mr. face, followed my mr. door to mr. body, as I exit the vehicle to have a “discussion” with the guy trying to assault me.
d) all of the above
Let the cops do the cop job, citizen. You aren’t up to the task and will get your ass handed to you if you keep doing it. (I had a friend of mine who used to shout “Full use of the lane” from his bicycle as people cut him off with their cars and such in Oakland. One day, the car in front of him that just passed pulls to an immediate stop and the driver gets out. He goes around to the trunk, pops it, and then turns back around with a length of chain wrapped around his fist and arm. He asks my friend, “You got something you want to say, motherfucker?” My friend decided it was a good time to use his bike.)
P.S. My car doesn’t actually have keys. It has a button. So my example may not be true to life.
You don’t like sexy alien David Bowie?
What if the person is driving without a license b/c they disagree with the current local government about road safety and are trying to form a new micro state with different safety standards?
(Mostly joking… mostly)
