Dylan Farrow wonders why Woody Allen still gets away with it

[beschizza]

Originally published at: https://boingboing.net/2017/12/08/dylan-farrow-wonders-why-woody.html

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[anon32019413]

If a court isn’t willing to convict these people, why should anyone else be expected to do anything?

[beschizza]

Because prosecution and conviction is an unreasonable standard for believing victims of crimes, for committing to the very minor remedies of firing a creep or refusing to work with him for fame and fortune’s sake.

It is a reasonable standard for putting them in prison, though, I’ll give you that!

[Brainspore]

If you knew someone had a history of sexually assaulting your family, friends and coworkers would you just advise everyone to let it slide until that person was convicted of a crime in a court if law?

Weinstein still hasn’t even been charged with a crime and people don’t seem to have a problem cutting ties with him.

[abutilon]

Woody Allen has lost his talent as a director, in my opinion. He’s now just producing incoherent potboilers that let him travel the world finding new victims. Poor old man. This is what happens when you lie to yourself & the world consistently.

Contrast with Al Franken, whose resignation cost us an intelligent & dedicated representative.

[LurkingGrue]

I only like his older funny films.

[Grey_Devil]

@abutilon

Contrast with the behavior of Al Franken, who’s resigned over a stupid sophomoric joke that cost us an intelligent & ethical representative

Well last i read a 7th woman had come forward with allegations against Franken so it’s apparently not just over a single sophomoric joke.

Al Franken's Seventh Accuser Was the Tipping Point for Democratic Women Senators

[Brainspore]

@abutilon

Contrast with the behavior of Al Franken, who’s resigned over a stupid sophomoric joke that cost us an intelligent & ethical representative.

Franken didn’t resign over a joke. He resigned due to pressure from his own party’s leadership after a significant number of credible witnesses came forward describing a pattern of inappropriate sexual behavior over a span of many years.

[GulliverFoyle]

@beschizza

It is a reasonable standard for putting them in prison, though, I’ll give you that!

Perhaps, but the trial over the molestation of Dylan was pretty well botched. Frankly both Woody and Mia belong behind bars, though him probably more so.

[mcme]

As this has already been to court and Woody Allen has been found not guilty i’m guessing that is why. for a good read on the matter try this piece: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast

[Grey_Devil]

Bill Cosby seems to laying way the fuck low these days since all these harassment and assault stories have been breaking. Nary a peep. Hmmm

[Magdalene]

Speaking of “it’s been in court”…

[mcme]

He hasn’t had any other “victims” before or after. Not the usual pattern but hey if you know something the rest of us don’t…

[generic_name]

“…still gets away with it” implies Woody Allen is currently molesting children. Is he?

So far we have one accusation, and I think when an accusation like that is made our instinct is to assume it’s true. There’s definitely a lot of weirdness surrounding the whole thing, and I am perfectly willing to believe he’s guilty if proven so (or if more accusers come forward), but basically I have to consider Woody Allen as maybe a creep, but not guilty of a crime until something more definitive comes out. I also have look at Mia Farrow and wonder if she had ulterior motives in that whole mess.

[KathyPartdeux]

Because you have moral agency. At least I assume this to be the case.

[Bunbain]

I’ve heard about this guy off and on during my life (born in early 80’s); so, just now I pulled up his wikipedia page. Haven’t seen a single film, scarcely even heard of any. Does this make me unsophisticated or something? I swear I haven’t been living under a rock!

Well, I’ve got a very long and ever-expanding list of films to view, don’t care much who he inspired or what a genius he is…forget it

[ugh]

@generic_name

basically I have to consider Woody Allen as maybe a creep, but not guilty of a crime until something more definitive comes out. I also have look at Mia Farrow and wonder if she had ulterior motives in that whole mess.

I think if you read Dylan Farrow’s account (see below), you might reconsider.

@mcme

As this has already been to court and Woody Allen has been found not guilty i’m guessing that is why. for a good read on the matter try this piece: The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

This is also a good read on the matter: An Open Letter From Dylan Farrow - The New York Times

For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didn’t like. I didn’t like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didn’t like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didn’t like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldn’t keep the secret anymore.

When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger. I didn’t know that my father would use his sexual relationship with my sister to cover up the abuse he inflicted on me. I didn’t know that he would accuse my mother of planting the abuse in my head and call her a liar for defending me. I didn’t know that I would be made to recount my story over and over again, to doctor after doctor, pushed to see if I’d admit I was lying as part of a legal battle I couldn’t possibly understand. At one point, my mother sat me down and told me that I wouldn’t be in trouble if I was lying – that I could take it all back. I couldn’t. It was all true. But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child.

[kermujin]

I was born at the end of the 60s, and I came here mostly just to say that I’ve always loathed Woody Allen. He’s a fucking tired old trope, and has been (IMHO) since he was a young man. And he’s a serious creep…which failed to surprise me in the least when all this crap started coming to light. Who the actual fuck can condone a man marrying his stepdaughter, a kid some 35 years younger…?

[Nobby_Stiles]

@Grey_Devil

Bill Cosby seems to laying way the fuck low these days since all these harassment and assault stories have been breaking. Nary a peep. Hmmm

I would buy a ticket to a Cosby gig, just so I could shout “rapist” before every punchline.

[mr_nope_nope]

@mcme

He hasn’t had any other “victims” before or after

seven people have come forward.