Edward Snowden provides vocals on a new Jean Michel Jarre track


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#2

AUTOPLAY WARNING!!
gah!


#3

Not in my Firefox!


#4

I’m a mutant (only occasionally Happy), and I like Jean-Michel Jarre, and will probably pick up this album once it drops. The list and scope of collaborators is very interesting.


#5

I especially like the part where there’s no volume control on the applet.


#6

I was still living in Paris when Oxygene was released & loved it. Still love it to be his day. Reminds me of “home” (one of them anyway).

While in Jr High - 7/8th grade in the States I got called into the school councilor for a parent meeting due to my anti-social behavior indicated by my painting the album cover on the back of my jean jacket/vest (it was the 80’s c’mon).

The look on the councilors face when it was explained & the parental response was - “oh, that’s the album your father likes. Wow. You did a good job” was kinda priceless.


#7

BTW, am I alone in placing Graeme Revell’s scores with older Jean Michel Jarre? Musically I tend to always put them together- especially the soundtrack for Brandon’s last movie. While musically quite different in many ways, the emotional subtext always seemed to link quite nicely. A Revell score sticks out like a sore thumb IMHO (in a good way) as one of the more distinctive artists in the industry. Again, IMHO.


#8

Thanks for the warning. Had I only known that The Orb was collaborating, I might have bought this. Now that I know that there is a slight chance that Snowden might get a revenue cut I certainly won’t.


#9

Looking forward to hearing this album. “Part 1” didn’t really live up to the possibilities of Jarre collaborating with M83, Massive Attack, John Carpenter, Laurie Anderson, and Fuck Buttons, but the bits of Part 2 sound good so far. Then again my favorite Jarre is still Equinoxe.


#10

Why do you hate Snowden?


#11

I dont hate him, he isn’t worth that much emotional investment at all. I simply don’t want to compensate or glorify him as I strongly disagree with his actions and the praise heaped upon him.


#12

Thanks. Now I know I can dismiss your thoughts on things from now on. Clearly your moral compass is either bought or broken.

Snowden is a hero that did important things at significant personal cost which will probably eventually result in his death or imprisonment for them. As someone who works in security for a living, what he revealed as a whistleblower is of significant value to the American people and the world.

Update: I’m actually quite serious here in that you have done me a service. I suspect you don’t care much for me so it isn’t something you consider a loss but I do think of the Snowden disclosures as very serious. The fact that you strongly disagree with his actions makes me suspect your thinking on most things that get discussed here, such as economics, morality, the way people live, etc.


#13

Actually I made a point not to introduce morals into my comment. Morals change by culture, sub culture, etc.

First off, I won’t go into “hero” as that is subjective. But I’ve spent the last 20 odd years in security myself. While that may be relevant to understanding some of the technical aspects, I’m not entirely sure how it bears any relation to the rightness or wrongness of his actions. From a perspective of network/information security, the fact that digital communications can be compromised or monitored, or that the American government does just that both domestically and non domestically shouldn’t have come as any surprise at all.

Your choice. Personally I can hold different opinions on particular matters with other people without dismissing all their other ideas.


#14

It doesn’t come as a surprise but the scale of domestic monitoring lends itself to tyranny. It is also something that is probably disallowed by our legal system if done openly, which I suspect will become more clear in time, hence the reasons it was hidden in the shadows and Congress was even lied to about it.

You seem accepting that the domestic communications of all American citizens are tapped and recorded and are willing to condemn the man who made it 100% clear to the citizenry that it is happening. I think it is a heroic action done at great cost and for the right reasons.

I notice that you don’t offer any defense of your support of these things or your condemnation of his actions. So be it.


#15

Didn’t see the point. You obviously feel strongly about your view and I don’t feel compelled to try and change your mind. I’m not even judging your view and don’t feel bad about you for holding a different view on the matter than my own.


#16

The problem is that this isn’t “What do you think of tomato sauce?”

This is “What do you think of the government spying on all of its citizens and lying to Congress about it when explicitly asked?”

The stakes are a little high, so, no, I don’t really accept that a view in support of the above is one aligned with what is right or just.

The fact that you don’t even live in American anymore (I assume you once did) and really have no stake in all of this is also part of this.


#17

I’m unsurprised as before. But that probably has something to do with me reading lots of history and having an interest in this matter overall. Statecraft does involve secrets, even domestic secrets. Governments do spy on their own citizens as well as the citizens of other nations. Always have.

Whether particular actions are legal or not isn’t for me to say, thats up to the courts as you noted already.

I’m not sure how that relates. I’m still an American citizen, still have family & friends on US soil. I still vote in the US. Just because I don’t live there doesn’t mean I don’t have a stake in what happens there.


#18

You’re being dishonest here and we both know it, especially since you’ve said you’re technical and work in security.

There is a pretty grand difference between “We spy on some of our citizens sometimes” or “We spy on citizens when given reasons, such as ties to foreign government or nationals” and “We monitor, record, and store indefinitely all phone calls, metadata on them, emails, and possibly other online communication of all citizens forever (or until we quit building data centers in Utah and other places).”

The first is reasonable and expected. The second is the kind of thing we would have mocked the Soviet Union for doing back in the day as a form of totalitarian control and monitoring. You’re equating all of these things.

How do you feel about the head of the NSA flat out lying to Congress when asked point black about this?


#19

Mmmmm… No.

As for the rest, again, I’m not here to change your feelings and explaining mine doesn’t have anything to do with the original point that I don’t want my money in Snowden’s hands.


#20

Well, yes, and I even explained why. You’re equating limited practices with the hoovering up of all citizen data and then shrugging with a “Oh, but we’ve always done that…” leaving aside that as recently as 15 years ago, we couldn’t have done it with the technology available.

“Ho hum, no big deal, governments have always spied on what everyone does electronically all the time and kept it all forever. Nothing to see here.”

That’s just bullshit.

If you don’t want to admit it, fine, but don’t pretend that isn’t what you’re saying here.

This kind of BS is why I think your thinking and morality (or ethics) can’t really be relied upon. I don’t know if you’re a crypto-fascist or just don’t care but, either way, it is a problem.