As a European, might I just very politely cough a little and leave it to that?
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Hulloo!
I think @Nightflyer meant the subset of bbsers who are USians (and who are, after all, especially likely to spend time in this particular thread).
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Yes, thatās it. Sorry if I stepped on any international toes!
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Yeah, because there already is a Trump-clone campaigning ostensibly as a Dem, a cheap, nasty con artist who needs to shut up and go away.
Seriously, go away now, Avenetti. I am half willing to believe heās working with the orange horror to create a circus.
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You know, I saw that movie about Booker, Street Fight, cause Iād heard great things about it and him ( this was back when he was still mayor of Newark, and would go and shovel peopleās drive way when they tweeted at him). It honestly turned me off of Booker. It was meant to be an outsider fighting government corruption, etc, but the thing that I really saw was a community outsider sweeping in, and playing a game of class warfare against the city government, backed by the white political establishmentā¦ I mean, it was good that he was trying to do good things for Newark and itās people, but it also felt like an imposition, as it didnāt seem like he really listened to the people in Newark much in the film, and then a means of positioning himself for higher office, if you know what I mean?
I dunno. But plausible, yeah.
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I love that you guys are already talking yourselves out of supporting candidates
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I just noticed that the OP graphic alludes to the 2020 Election, and the topic title is Elections 2018.
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Why not find a way to prevent even more oppressed minorities from voting? What could go wrong?
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This is a difficult topic.
On one hand, i see your point: not voting against a Trump-like candidate increases the chance of a Trump-like candidate winning.
But also bear in mind:
Voting for the lesser of two evils means you are still actively supporting evil.
Itās a large part of why i vote Green here in the UK (well, besides it being my closest political match by a large margin)
I refuse to vote rightwing, and that historically ruled out both main parties* and they are the only two options that matter in my area**.
So, do i vote for what i want, or do i actively support the right? No brainer for meā¦
*(nb. i did vote labour in the last local election but only because i had only two options) (lately, no-longer rightwing economically, still supports a rightwing brexit that will tear the UK asunder)
**(as such, you could have taken my voting rights away for my entire life and it wouldnāt have changed a thing) [censored] the undemocratic FPTP voting system.
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Prior disclaimer: I know nothing of the UK political system. In the US we have a binary choice, dem or repubs. If we had a viable multiparty system here it would be much more likely that you cou,d find a candidate who reflects your own values more precisely. You are choosing (hypothetically) between candidate A who agrees with you 20% of the issues, and candidate B, who agrees with you on 70% of issues. Now, you can insist that 70% is not close enough and withhold your vote. If A gets elected, you can be outraged, but realize you share some degree of responsibility for that election. Or you can decide that because both candidates accepted corporate contributions, you refuse to vote. Same outcome. Yes, voting for the lesser of two evils sucks, it still beats accepting the greater of those evils.
I guess what i am saying is that letting perfect become the enemy of good is not a wise course of action.
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Much the same here, after all whilst the voting systems differ a little, they are not all that dissimilar in the large picture.
I get that view, but ignoring specific percentages for current parties for a hypothetical one: given a choice of the following three, what would you vote for?
1: 90% evil
2: 50% evil
3: 0% evil (but due to the broken voting system, your vote does not count)
I refuse to vote #2, i can see why people might, but it just shifts the political spectrum in a bad direction whether they win or loseā¦
I suppose the issue comes to definition of evil. If you propose disenfranchising 100% of minorities vs 50%, I agree that is an unacceptable choice and would join you in C. Butā¦ If the case is putting sexist pigs on the SC, separating families and imprisoning children, destroying our international reputation, along with our planet and cuddling up to dictators vs. being a lousy candidate, having some pretty questionable personal associations and a skeevy husband, count me as a supporter of the lousy candidate. I donāt think anyone actually believes that all the incredible drama and trauma of the Trump regime (and whatever disasters are still to come) would have occurred under Clinton. She would probably not have been great, but considering what actually occured, and using THAT as the standard for comparison, yes, she would have been legendary. If only for not being Trump.
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And again, disenfranchising minorities is a Republican specialty. If you canāt win the vote, change the voters!
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Canāt argue with most of that, But I do not know what is the correct approach here, for it seems all options are varying degrees of wrong (and my opinion is that voting for one endorses it).
Well yes, I can certainly agree with that. However, I see no angelic beings on the ballot, and politics being what it is, anyone who makes it to be a candidate for higher office most likely has some shit stains on them. Jimmy Carter was probably as close as we have come to having a truly good person in office, but he certainly made decisions that have not sat well with progressives, and has been a better ex-president than actual office holder. Again, not really arguing with you. I guess I am proposing working with the world we have and trying to improve it, rather than abdicating until it meets our standards.
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Itās @papasan and he may or may not have been under the influence of a special cookie at the time. He is a good mutant though.
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Any chance we run out of this shit anytime soon?
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Run out of voter suppression soon?
Nope. Itās clearly one reason Trump has been so furiously packing courts with lifetime wingnut appointments.
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I often wonder why people support Trump.
After reading the exchange above, I still do not understand why, but I certainly have been presented with more US american stereotypes.
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