Elections 2018

I think it’s because he reinforces their own prejudices and makes it okay to hold those views. And they see it as sticking it to us “libtards” or whatever they call people who disagree with their authoritarian world view. They also like him, because he himself is an authoritarian, blindly kowtowing to military and police, even when they commit violence against other people.

None of it is rational or logical, or based on reality. It’s all about winning.

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This is the way the last few hours should have gone down in here…

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Unfortunately, this is probably more accurate:

(it’s Wonder Woman from the alternative universe Superman series/graphic novel, Red Son).

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Truly, it’s English was better than last time around, but the aroma of vodka is a dead givaway.

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Ah, shit, probably…
Didn’t win though :grin:

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To @anon61221983 ‘s point there was some serious else world shit going down.

I’m happy that a whole bunch of posts were eaten.

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Dang it. I thought I left a pretty good message here this afternoon, and now it’s gone.

Why bother?

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be careful not to reply to or @ mention probable trolls and/or racists and/or white grievance artists or to comments in reply to them.

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It feels good at the time. On the occasions when I do I fully expect it to go poof though.

You can get your missing posts on your profile in the download all my posts link.

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Perhaps if you consistently see the candidates that so many Americans prefer as “evil” then your real beef is with your fellow citizens.

I was not crazy about HRC, especially her economic conservatism and general willingness to triangulate, but I think she was/is a fundamentally decent person who believes in public service as a public good, and not at all evil.

In over 4 decades of voting I’ve never had the opportunity to vote for someone completely aligned with my beliefs, and I’m pretty sure I never will. It is an inevitable consequence of being politically well to the left of the center. I only wish that this had been the case for my counterparts on the right.

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It’d be great to see some polling from Libya on that topic.

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Not sure that Instapundit would be my go-to source on HRC’s character. Obama administration foreign policy was a group effort, and generally consistent with US foreign policy for decades (and imperialist policy over millenia). I do think that the posthumous elevation of Ghadafi as a good guy by people who hate HRC has been rather curious.

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Looking at DRDarkeNY Twipu profile (Middle-aged Recovering Alcoholic, Recovering Christian Conservative, Recovering Libertarian) and postings. Quite the obsession with Hillary.

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Pity, thread was temporarily closed.

Your explanation is as good as many others I’ve heard, but is authoritarianism really that strongly ingrained in US society? Germany, a hundred years ago - I’ll buy that, no problem. Society as a whole was soaked with a believe in authorities, given by God and the State.

The US? Really?
I mean, the whole tea party bullshit is about being against the authority of the central gouvernment, etc, etc.

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When they weren’t the central government, sure. Now that they are, it’s a different ballgame.

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Not just the USA. I don’t think we’re that much worse than most other countries in this regard. It just seems worse right now since (a) Trump and his supporters like to brag about his strongman status, and (b) the USA happens to be pretty powerful right now.

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over the decades there have always been around 15-20% of the people who would take a fascistic state if they thought it would lead to “stability.” it seems to be about 27% right now but that’s not to far from the mean.

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The reasons are confusing to people who are used to thinking about things critically and systematically, informed by a knowledge of history and enlightened self-interest.

For example, a lot of Il Douche’s supporters are just rubes, desperate or otherwise, looking for a quick fix for their perceived problems offered by a snake oil salesmen. They’re ignorant of his history as America’s foremost public grifter going back to at least the 1980s when he was regularly mocked by Spy Magazine and Robert Crumb, and aren’t intellectually equipped or educated enough to see through a his scams if they were aware. Even now, with their names being sold as part of history’s biggest “sucker list”, they still don’t get it. They’re the kind of pathetic marks who will continually defend a grifter long after it’s become clear he fleeced them, too stubborn in their pride to admit they were gulled.

Then there are the “spite voters”, who are so angry and bitter about their own thwarted sense of entitlement (often based in race and religion) that they’ll vote against their own self-interest as long as the candidates or party promises to subtract from the comfort and happiness of those they consider to be “undeserving”: liberals and progressives, PoCs, immigrants, intellectuals, the “coastal elites”, etc.

Neither group thinks these things through, though, so wealthy members of the groups they hate end up laughing at them (all the way to the bank, thanks to tax breaks for the top 1%) while they themselves suffer the worst effects of brain-dead protectionist policies.

I find that those are the two main reasons (sometimes both concurrently) why anyone voted for a cartoonish con man that you or I could see coming a mile away.

Besides that, there are the trollies @anon61221983 describes above and the alt-right bigots and misogynists. And then there are the establishment conservatives who think they can “control” right-wing populists and use them for their own purposes; as a German you know how that one plays out in the end.

I consider that more of a throughline, where many of his voters (especially in the Know-Nothing 27%) continue to long for a “strict father” leader or government to somehow make everyone as much “rugged individualists” as they (usually erroneously) believe they are. It’s a weird view where they believe that “my dad was a tyrant, but he made me into the self-reliant person I have today. All those liberals and PoC need some of that tough love too to make the country great again.”

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