Elon Musk says civilization will "crumble" if we don't have more babies

You could help by not competing for those resources going forward.

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“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

If Dickens were writing in 2021, Scrooge would be a privileged white ecofascist.

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Are we doing this again?

If a third world family of 10 are using fewer resources than a single person in the first world, then maybe it isn’t overpopulation that is the problem.

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If people were serious they wouldn’t live in places that required heating.

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I mean, isn’t a lean-to made from a few branches more than enough… and clothes… how wasteful… just wrap up the naughty bits in leaves and call it a day… /s

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They could just be a climate migrant to warmer countries.

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Worked for our ancestors… civilization is a scam anyways… who needs all that when you can just kill your own food and make your own housing and move around when the weather changes… problem solved!!!

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too complex.
needs more monke.

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Automation is going to take everyone’s job, so therefore have more kids? Seems like the opposite would be necessary to maintain a degree of harmony in society.

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Right, they say it without irony - or hypocrisy - because they don’t fundamentally believe that idea should apply to anyone else.

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Although it’s telling that they did an extremely abrupt about face when they went full capitalist, moving to rescind their official one-child policy and replace it with one encouraging more children:

[extremely upper-class English accent]: Darling, how gauche - we don’t refer to people moving to warmer countries as “climate migrants,” they’re “ex-pats” (formerly “colonialists”). Only poor brown people are “migrants,” silly goose!

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The accents go all the way from working class to upper class, Northern to Southern. Britain’s primary export used to be arseholes. Now the EU breathes a sigh of relief as the ex-pat arseholes find out what Brexit actually means.

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Exactly. Turns out the automation is only coming so long as a supply of highly privileged labor can be supported by vast multitudes of other types of labor at low cost in perpetuity!

No one saw that coming!

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If the issue is really about resources then wouldn’t it make more sense for governments to limit per-capita resource consumption rather than imposing draconian laws limiting reproductive freedom?

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First off, no, capitalism doesn’t require unending growth. Investors require that, but investors aren’t inherent to capitalism.

Second, while resources are finite that’s not really the problem. As long as resources keep pace with population growth, then that growth is supported. In fact, over the past several centuries, resource growth has outpaced population growth. As others have pointed out, the real problem has been that those resources have been unequally distributed. Musk an his billionaire buddies are enemy #1 in that respect. Awfully magnanimous of him to point it out.

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Sure, but the gender imbalanced that resulted from one child drove that too.

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I mean… it kind of is… that’s what a corporation is after all, a means of raising capital, generally speaking relying on some form of investment…

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Pure capitalism, sure. But even the US has great government-sponsored programs that provide business investment that doesn’t require growth. Small businesses can also start up with friends and family funding and be successful. There’s also the Kickstarter model, where customers fund a new enterprise in exchange for goods.

Ultimately, when I say “investors “ above, I mean the investor class, whose sole income is derived from portfolio growth. That simply isn’t necessary for a capitalist or blended economy to thrive.

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I’m embarrassed this tool is Gen X.

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