Father unhappy about middle-school sex-ed poster

my best friend in Middle School was having sex with high school girls in the 7th grade (!) (he developed very early and was over 6 foot even then.) Conversely, I didn’t get laid until right near my 18th birthday (and didn’t even “bloom” until late in my 16th year.) It used to blow my mind that some of the kids were having sex and smoking weed in middle school, but there it was.

We sure as hell didn’t have learning materials like the OP in our school, nor would any of our teachers have hung that poster in their classrooms–they’d have boycotted that curriculum without any doubt in my mind. But personally, even though half the kids might not be ready for it, we can’t just hang the other half out to dry. They really need to know the facts, it’s too many babies making babies as it is. As awkward as being that dad would make me feel, I’d hope I’d be able to see the wisdom that there was a greater good being served by this curriculum.

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I think you are (like the dad in this article) missing the point. This isn’t a list that is teaching kids how to do these things or encouraging them to do them, it is a list that is part of an educational program to teach them how these things, which they have no doubt heard about already, fit in the context of their lives. It teaches them about the acts and the consequences - that actions like oral and anal sex can lead to communicable diseases, nevermind the emotional and social considerations. If kids don’t have this information they end up with all sorts of misinformation and rumor instead of facts, and that is what has led the US to being one of the top teen pregnancy rates and std rates of any developed nation. Studies have shown that sex ed does not actually result in teens having more sex; quite the opposite. And it significantly reduces the problems associated with early sexual interactions. This father seems to think that if his daughter doesn’t read “anal sex” on a poster at the age of 13 that she will remain innocent until marriage. I can guarantee you at some point before the girl is 15 (if it hasn’t happened already) some boy will try to convince her that oral and anal sex are not “real sex” and therefore don’t count and cannot possibly result in any sort of harm. Woe is the father who is so deluded, but worse off is the daughter.

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“Just promise me,” said Mr. Phillips, fumbling for his pipe cleaners, “that no matter how wonderful the dance may be tonight, and no matter what Jeff and you may be feeling … promise me that you won’t give him a blowjob.”

“A w-what?” stammered Connie, backing away slightly. “A blowjob,” Mr. Phillips repeated. “You know, when a fellow forces his dork down your throat and makes you suck on it until he eventually shoots his pecker-snot all over your tonsils.”

In the silence that followed, Connie, suddenly quite pale, looked beseechingly from Mrs. Phillips to Jeff, both of whom could only avert their eyes to the carpet. “Oh my God,” gasped Connie, “th-that’s… horrible… sickening…!” “You bet it is,” replied Mr. Phillips, puffing his pipe alight, “just ask your mother.”

First Blowjob
National Lampoon
-Doug Kenney

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It was in home ec - don’t leave the biscuits out in warm, damp places or they get a bunch of mouldy fuzz on 'em.

Wow, third date? Just how do I find the designer’s okcupid profile?

I want to say that the Scottish Presbyterians* have inspired this addendum: “And dancing implies the existence of music!”

*But I’m not absolutely sure it’s them and not some other stereotypically dour group.

Now I want to see the New York Time article that tells you your zipcode based on your relative familiarity with that term and it’s synonyms.

I empathize with the Oklahoma dad on this one. My problem with the school “grocery list of sex acts” poster is that it is indicative of what Sex Education has become. It’s gone from telling kids where babies come from, to…hell I dunno…information about vaginal rejuvenation, vajazzling, shrimping, snowballing, strawberry nut-logging and any other degenerate activity that masquerades as and does a faulty, flawed imitation of what sex IS, what sex is FOR, and the Good that it should, ideally, spring from (Love.) Before anyone breaks out the tar and feathers, let me say this: Socrates (in Gorgias) brought up, among other things, the subject of good pleasures vs. bad pleasures (or more accurately, the subject of whether all pleasures/rewards are good, and whether all pains/punishments are bad.) My question is this: all jokes aside, is oral sex, at its most fundamental, a good pleasure or a bad one? I classify it as a bad one. Doesn’t it feel so good that it’s on a pleasure-level somewhat above that of actual sex? Now add in the luxuriousness of it, the ease of it, the casualness of it, the speed of it, the laziness of it (all depending on whether you’re giving it or receiving it, of course) and then top that off with…the exchange/Capitalism aspect of it (I give, you get, you give, I get; I’ll do you then you do me) and just how transactional and demeaning/disheartening/demoralizing it is to the very idea of sex. Sex and Sexuality have become blurred: Sex-Ed is now Sexuality-Ed. Now, think of what a corruption, degradation it is of the entire point of sex, which is procreation, with some pleasure thrown in (if we’re doing it right, that is) to make us wanna keep doing it, for the sake of evolution and propagation of the species…oral sex, and most if not all other fetishizations of things sexual and aspects of / add-ons / work-arounds to sex, all just get us focused on the easy, feel-good stuff, no-strings-attached, no hassles man, If It Feels Good, Do It…as opposed to what Sex is intended for. It’s like this fracturing of reality…a detachment from and alienation from What Is…in favor of What Is Not. Substitute “prostate stimulation” or “female ejaculation” or “fisting” or “auto-erotic asphyxiation” or Japanese Blow Job Gameshows or whatever you care to for my example about “oral sex” and it still fits. All these things are like heroin to sex’s um aspirin, perhaps. They are not Good pleasures at all. They are pleasures that one may relish and bask in, but they are ultimately like the person who, in Socrates’ example, is the Happiest Man Alive because he can scratch himself to his heart’s content. Is it really worth it, coming to depend on and be addicted to a kind of mockery of the sex act, a subversion of the procreative act, a feels-so-great-that-it-makes-everything-else-pale-in-comparison sex substitute, when you could stick to the genuine article and not have to worry about becoming jaded or fixated or whatever? The “Genuine Article” should be the subject of Sex Education, and safe sex. 101 stuff. Not an episode of Sex in the City, or Entourage. Which brings me to the point of all, which would be: do we really want to be telling 13-year-olds about oral sex? Anal sex? Something that feels so good that you’re hooked after the first orgasm? An act that you can substitute for that thing that’ll cause a (gasp!) pregnancy (i.e. the point of sex) if you do it, an act that is so easy and feels so good and which reduces Sex (and by consequence, Love) to an exchange of scents and secretions and sensations to be sought after, a “Mr. Goodbar” as it were; yet another incredibly-pleasurable thing to chase after moment to moment and to objectify? Get the fix, crave again, get the fix, crave again, etc etc. It’s like Julie said in Vanilla Sky: “I swallowed your cum: that means something!” It means you’ve got a damned screw loose is what it means, Julie! Hell, even Tom Cruise knew that much. We may all love a good blowjob, but a good blowjob isn’t love. It isn’t sex. It’s sexuality. There’s a big difference. Sex-Ed is for kids at or around the age of menarch / puberty. That’s reasonable. Sexuality-Ed is something else entirely. Not for kids at all.

I think this is what I (and possibly the Oklahoma father in question) find most frustrating, nay, enraging: the teaching of what is, essentially, a perversion and corruption of what Sex is all about, under the guise of Sex Education.

Most of us are against underage (18) smoking, drinking and drug use: we don’t want kids getting accustomed to or addicted to something that’s bad for them, before they’re able to do it responsibly, if at all. But we all turn a blind eye (or wink it slyly) at the idea of underage sex, or underage sex substitutes, which can affect the lives of teenagers just as much, and which can (in some cases) change the very direction and focus of their future lives. That needs to change. It’ll be tough. Because almost every aspect of our society subtly (and sometimes not-so-subtly) encourages and is even tittilated by the idea of it. Budding sexuality is a turn on: if nothing else, it reminds us of our own, years ago, and we’re inclined to let sleeping dogs lie. But these dogs aren’t sleeping.

Here’s a thought: if you think Sexuality-Ed masquerading as Sex-Ed is perfectly acceptable for Middle Schoolers, or even Jr. High or High Schoolers, then you should have no problem with 12 & 13 year-old girls having vibrators. And 12 & 13 year-old boys with Fleshlights.

Sounds really, really wrong, doesn’t it?

That’s. The. Point.

Let the mocking commence.

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Not proven.

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And if God had wanted my mouth to be a sexual receptacle, he wouldn’t have given me so many teeth!

I got my sex ed in the fifth grade (US public elementary school). We were a bit young, there was much blushing and giggling - but boys were taught separate from the girls. Strangely only the girls got the condom instruction (with the obligatory banana) but the boys didn’t which I find just as strange now as I did then. Regardless, the boys/girls shared all the information each group received with each other.
The point being is that, just a few years later when I was in the seventh grade and sexually active, I already knew that condoms were part of responsible sexual activity and that not wearing them could lead to “Bad Things™” happening to your willy. Even though we were both virgins, concern for VD did factor into my wearing a condom (ie: not getting pregnant wasn’t my only motivation) as I don’t think I put everything together at the time regarding the risk for VD in that situation.
Bottom line is, sex ex worked for me. Not one other soul ever discussed condom use with me other than three sex ed classes I had in the fifth grade in time to make a difference. If we don’t get to them young, we may miss the opportunity to make change where it is so desperately needed.

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One of the best arguments I have ever heard against the drinking age being 21 in the U.S. is that it puts the period of experimentation with alcohol for most people to when they are at college, surrounded by similarly-aged and -experienced buddies. It is much safer and allows for a better period of adjustment for a young person to learn how to drink (or not) responsibly while still supported by their family.

Many people do not realize this, but (I don’t know all the local rulings, but in general) it is legal for someone to drink under 21 in the U.S. if their parent has given them the drink. You can’t serve their friends, however! This supports parents who want to teach their children their family values on the subject of alcohol. (I believe it was set up because wine is used in many religious rituals and we can’t get in the way of that, nosirree.)

I, and many other parents, consider it unethical and dangerous to tell teenagers that they can have no knowledge or experience of any sexual behavior until they are married. We also consider it unethical and dangerous that our children live in a country where a significant number of their peers at school are kept this ignorant but of course still socialize with our kids. Bad things can happen when ignorant teens find themselves in over their heads. To protect my kids, I want your kids to at least know the basics.

I don’t know the demographics of the middle school in question. Some schools have a lot of pregnancies; some support dangerous mindsets where their students might be introduced to the various items on the list against their will, say by the football team; some have a lot of kids engaging in anal sex because their pastors and parents told them they can’t have PIV sex until they are married and whaddya know, teens will figure out a run-around when told they can’t do something. Much as we parents would like to think 13-year-olds don’t need to know more than the mechanics of making a baby, it’s not actually appropriate to stick our heads in the sand.

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I really hope that’s a typo and not some kind of pharmaceutical product.

Father unhappy about middle-school sex-ed poster

This sounds so much like an onion headline.

I lost my virginity way late, but I lived my formative teenage years out in a country where sex-ed was pretty much illegal in school. My friends, who were already having sex learned about it from Internet porn, which was just becoming a thing. Their idea of controlling for STIs involved a lot of guesswork, since “condoms are unreliable”- a myth that started long before the last Pope. Me, being the huge wonkish nerd that I was- I read things. (I certainly wasn’t going to bring any of this up with my parents.) I somehow become the only virgin who doled out sex advice like it was candy. Hell, I felt I had to, some of my friends were running around talking about “visible signs” (By which they meant genital coloring) of AIDS (by which they meant HIV).

People don’t understand that “use a condom” isn’t a substitute for a comprehensive list of issues you don’t want people to glean an understanding of from hearsay and worse- porn.

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They don’t? They will if they can get their hands on them. And not you, not I, nor your weirdly backwards sense of smarm is going to stop them. Guess what? I think a dildo or fleshlight (which has the grossest name in the universe) is a really great way for a young person to avoid STIs for lack of a condom.

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Bullshit?

For me the concern is that putting on a poster encourages bad behavior on the part of teachers, who often show bad judgment around children. I’d rather see these discussions limited to a specific class, separated by gender and from a prepared teaching package.

Many teachers aren’t equipped to deliver information like this spontaneously. A young teacher my not have children or never had this talk with their child, so expecting them to speak extemporaneously on the subject is likely to provoke a drunken college story rather than age-appropriate material.

As I said, middle school students are Rorschach test for the sexual problems of adults, and many teachers have problems of maturity and judgement. And I mean in addition to having sex with their students, we often read in the newspapers of teachers being fired or disciplined for political rants aimed at the students, pro-Christian or ant-Christian tirades, and the inevitable cases of teachers who feel that waving a Nazi flag makes some point that they can’t quite explain.

There’s no reason to expect teachers to be able to handle an open ended discussion of sex with tweens. Would you put a workplace supervisor in the postion of leading opened ended discussions about sex at work without getting fired in short order? Why would we think for a second that a teacher is equipped to do this without getting in trouble? Just thinking that it’s possible would indicate a sever lack of judgement.

Believe it or not, teachers are trained for their job.

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My mother has her Masters in teaching and has taught everything from Headstart to remedial literacy at the jail; In her 70’s she still tutors at risk teens and ESL adults.

I would hope for an emphasis on the social consequences of sex, sexting, and alcohol.

In the recent case of a girl aged 11 (IIRC) harassed to suicide in a fight over a boy, I’m left to wonder what role actual sex played in ratcheting up the intensity until one of the girls killed herself. The girl tween that has sex is at greatly higher risk of suicide, murder, rape, physical abuse, and rape. When I read about a 13 year old girl being beaten by her boyfriend, to me it’s a pretty certain sign that sex is involved.