“Papers, please.”
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Ma’am, are you aware that you are not required to show police your ID in every state? Only some states have “Stop and ID” laws that require citizens to present police with identification upon request. California is not one of those states. This changes if police detain you, but if they are not detaining you then you are under no obligation to show your ID. Please inform yourself better before making blanket generalizations like that.
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True, but these days BART and Caltrain are becoming more and more alike, as BART expands further out from the urbanized core of the Bay and Caltrain electrifies and increases service to run trains every 20 minutes…
Honestly, from a passenger’s point of view, the distinction between BART and Caltrain should not even exist. But the Bay Area’s dysfunctional mess of overlapping transit agencies with incompatible agendas is a whole other can of worms.
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Those were pretty tame by Brazilian standards, and there is also a lot of regional difference, and some conflict because of them.
People outside my state abhor putting mashed potatoes in the hot dogs and the idea behind it.
But, unfortunately, it is not easy to find each traditional regional variation outside the actual area being sold by street vendors, maybe they can be found on some bigger restaurants.
So you would need to visit a lot of places to really experience what Brazilians do with hot dogs, and also food in general.
There is a lot of food syncretism here and the most extreme cases are pure surrealism.
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It is, however, the case that in California if you’re issued a citation for an infraction (which ordinarily would not be something you could get arrested for), and you refuse to provide your name and address and sign the citation, then you can be arrested.
(This is very different from being required to show government-issued ID, of course!)
And of course, treating eating food in a train station as a criminal offense, even the lowest class of offense (akin to a speeding ticket), is absurd.
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dear police, talking someone down from eating a sandwich would be a good place to start practicing those much needed de-escalation skills. sincerely, the public
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I think this says it all.
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I’m not sure it’s possible for any intervention against a guy eating a sandwich to be a de-escalation. Even just saying “hey, would you mind not eating that sandwich” is more aggressive than the guy just eating his sandwich in peace!
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That do that really well on their own. It’s because Police Departments hire bad and stupid people, then train them badly and stupidly, then never have consequences for officers who act in bad and stupid ways, but always punish officers who try to warn people of that.
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I’ve heard that before… 
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In my childhood memories, Pleasanton is a traditionally working-class area, but booy are you right:
In 2005, the median household income in Pleasanton was $101,022, the highest income for any city with a population between 65,000 and 249,999 people.[9] Similarly, for 2007, the median household income rose to $113,345, also the highest in the category.[10] According to City-Data.com, the median household income had risen to $121,622 by 2013, compared to a statewide median of $60,190.[40]
And this about Pleasant Hill:
The Gregory Gardens subdivision developed in 1950 required purchasers of new homes to accept a Covenant that restricted ownership to Caucasians (such provisions have since been ruled as unconstitutional).[30] The Covenant also limited the structures that could be built, animals allowed on premises, and commercial activities.
Wowzers. I grew up in that subdivision.
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they could have called in the swat team 
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I wanted to click the heart, but this comment fuckin sucks. Not you. Just this reality.
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Why should he have to show ID?
Yes, compliance while having your civil rights abused can often make things go smoother. But some people aren’t content to live on their knees, licking the boots of authority.
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Perhaps in your place of residence it is considered acceptable to stop someone whilst eating a sandwich and check their id. Not so much here.
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There’s always an if. If the black man had just done X, he would still be alive today. If the black man had just done Y, he would still be alive today.
In this situation, if he had reached around back of himself to grab his wallet, a twitchy BART officer might have gunned him down on the platform “fearing for his life” because he thought the guy was reaching for a gun.
Well, fuck that. The mythical black man doesn’t need to do anything differently. SOCIETY must change. POLICE must change. POLICE must retrain and the white majority must change to reflect the values that the country says it has. EQUALITY.
Equality only exists when the laws and norms are equally applied. They are not equally applied. The black man does not need to show ID. He does not need to do anything except eat his sandwich and catch his ride in peace without fear of arrest or death because of the capriciousness of a white man or the white man’s laws.
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Yeah, but it’s not your wurst joke.
The perp was taken into custody and the charge was phony baloney, consorting with condiments, and the cop couldn’t believe it was not butter.
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I agree that I made a mistake in implying that there isn’t systemic violence against queer people. What I meant was that one is part of a literal government agency, the police, which in theory should obey the will of the people, where the latter is part of society as a whole’s prejudices, which is not as tangible. In this particular case, the cop’s abuse of police power is more urgent of a problem then that guy’s use of slurs. I’m not saying that you can’t criticize him, but there should be no ambiguity as to which problem is worse. It looks like we both agree on that point, so my previous post is moot.
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It’s not the PIPC in general, it’s Coppola specifically - this is a classic case of ‘the fish rots from the head’!
The Palisades Interstate Park Police have mostly park rangers, hired to do park-ranger-y things. When the ticket quotas enforcement incentives came down, the attitude in the ranks wasn’t ‘hot damn, I can earn a few extra perks and have a new car to patrol in,’ it was ‘damn it, this isn’t the job I signed up to do!’
In the same era of tight budgets and ticket quotas revenue enhancement goals, there was at least one incident in Harriman Park where a group of hikers were ticketed for hiking on one of the old carriage roads. Harriman has a “no hiking off-trail” rule, which makes sense considering that it was an industrial wasteland a century ago, and there are abundant hazards that have never been cleaned up, such as open mine shafts, uncovered wells, rusting and collapsing mining machinery, and unstable (and likely toxic) tailings dumps. In any case, the case was immediately thrown out of court, because the old carriage roads, many of which never saw an automobile, remain public rights-of-way since nobody has pursued an abandonment proceeding with the state. All parties were agreed on the facts, and the law was obvious: the hikers were on a public highway, albeit an unmaintained one, where they had every right to be.
But that’s again, someone who fell into Coppola’s clutches, not a typical PIPC officer. Most of my interactions there have been more along the lines of asking the desk corporal at Lake Tiorati, “Would it be all right if I lead a party of six to see the ruins of the Hogencamp mine off the Dunning trail? I know where the shafts are,” and getting the answer “sure, go ahead, thanks for asking. The people who ask aren’t the people we need to rescue!”
And then Coppola came along, and promised the two states (PIPC is a NY/NJ interstate compact) that they’d need to budget $0 for the department, because it would pay for itself in enforcement, and the respective administrations were stupid enough to believe him.
People shouldn’t have to be afraid of park rangers, FFS.
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