Freeze Peach 🍑 (USA)


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#365

And then have it take over your country.


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#367

Yawn.

Point out the post where this statement was addressed. I can wait. I’ll be waiting a long time, because every time someone has made this argument, even in the form of a simplistic comic anyone could understand, that tolerance of intolerance is antithetical to a safe society, you and the rest of the freeze peach absolutists ignore it and don’t respond. Again and again and again the argument is stated, yet no response comes.

Support of the “free speech” of nazis is no different than tacit support of nazis. Don’t like it? Stop supporting nazis.


#368

So we all know from the rest of the thread that you meant for this to somehow be supportive of free speech rather than a point against it.

What you posted is the equivalent of this:

That’s an argument against taking the medication. The argument in favour of taking the medication is that the benefits of it outweigh the harms. I take medication daily that has unfortunate side effects. I take it because I’ve weighed the benefits against the harms.

If someone posted the above image in support of taking medication I could only assume they were so ideologically in favour of taking medication that they mistook the drawbacks of doing so for benefits. If I was proud of being constipated because it showed my commitment to taking my pills, that would necessitate me seeing virtue in the act of taking the pills themselves, instead of valuing them for the good they do.


#369

https://twitter.com/es_snipes/status/926204959619629056


#370

http://www.anarchistagency.com/commentary/the-j20-case-what-you-need-to-know/


#371

Why free speech is a good thing


#372

Aint it nice to have freedom of speech?


#373

#374

Except the problem is, the US doesn’t have free speech.

Not when court decisions like Citizens United can allow corporate entities to buy up all the microphones and the city squares, not when corporate interests determine who gets to talk, where, for how long and about what. Not when the laws to protect free speech, like limits on media ownership and concentration, are being swept aside.

So, it’s not your government that makes the rules saying what you can and cannot talk about. That doesn’t mean you’re any freer. It just means you answer to a different set of overlords. You’re still living in 1984.


#375

Oh and you don’t need laws against free speech, per se to squash it with laws either. All those places that ban felons from voting? Yeah, it’s not that hard to imagine some kind of felony manufacturing against inconvenient people. What’s a little mass incarceration, hmm? You have all sorts of ways around that amendment, almost as if it was an ideal, not an actual thing.


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#377

And yet here you are, speaking freely about your lack of freedom to speak about your freedom to speak freely.


#378

Am I? If BB doesn’t like what I have to say, they can make it disappear like it never existed – that is their right. And if my speech ever gets too out of line… well, McCarthyism isn’t dead and gone, and nobody’s so squeaky clean that they can’t be locked up, renditioned, or simply made to go away for some reason.

That is not freedom, it’s just a very elaborate illusion.


#379

Also, I have the money and credit rating to afford a device and access to the Internet in a country that is of the opinion that said Internet is a utility, not a privilege.

It ain’t free speech if we limit it to those who can afford to pay for it.


#380

Here in the United States, it’s all free if you know what to do!


#381

Or go to a library, or pool funds and get a $10 phone, etc.


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