'Highly likely' Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner that killed 176 people, U.S. officials say — and probably an accident

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https://twitter.com/travis_waldron/status/1214726053442326528?s=21

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He is asking for a transparent investigation. Like they had for MH17, Syrian gas attacks, 9/11, Skripals and Russiagate?
How about a transparent investigation of Trump’s claims of an “imminent threat”?

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Well it sure is looking like somebody shot it down.

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Holy crap, more investigations. That ought to do the trick.

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That, I think, is the single most obvious thing that should make one suspicious of the official story.

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Yah, they should hand over the black box to trump.

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And 63 Canadians. Fuck Trump.
[Edit to add, in case it’s unclear - All deaths from this are horrific. And further, he doesn’t even value his allies.]

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They said they’d share it with the Ukrainians, which is where the plane was from. They also said they don’t trust the US government, and do you really blame them?

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If a jet crashed in Texas, would you expect the US government to hand the flight data over to the Iranians?

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“A team of 45 Ukrainian experts and officials arrived in Tehran early Thursday and will be involved in decoding the black boxes and identifying and repatriating bodies. The team had already collected DNA samples from relatives of the victims in Ukraine.”

If one was trying to cover up shooting down an airliner, you don’t invite foreign crash investigators to the scene.

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If one was trying to cover up shooting down an airliner, not letting the foreign crash investigators visit the scene would be highly counterproductive because having foreign crash investigators on site is 100% SOP, and not allowing it would be tantamount to putting up a large billboard saying “THERE IS SOMETHING HERE THAT WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO SEE”.

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NY times says it has verified the video.

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Why Mindy, whatever could you mean?

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All NYtimes states is “appears to show an Iranian missile hitting a plane near Tehran’s airport” and all they verify are some details about the area, as if that ever was the relevant issue.
We also have the issue of Pentagon claiming to have seen two missiles being launched on infrared, but the video only appears to show one. And there is still the issue about why someone is filming the night sky.

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Possession is nine tenths of the international law.

Presumably there’s established protocol for investigative cooperation of international flight crashes, as this is far from the first flight to crash outside the borders of an airline’s home country. Iran seems to be cooperating with Ukraine.

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Your post sort of answers its own objection.

The person was filming because of the first missile.

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If that were the case, they’d have not gotten the first missile, they only would have gotten the second.

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But if there was a first missile, surely it would have hit a slow lumbering airliner that moved in a predictable path.

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Usually “wait and see what we find” is a reasonable statement, but given the tense situation they had to say something more definite, and claming it was a technical malfunction without blaming anyone was the best way of deescalating the situation and as far as possible limit conspiracy theories.

It worked pretty well when Clinton bombed the al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory and then blocked any international investigation of the site.

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Iran’s Civil Aviation Authority head, Ali Abedzadeh, told CNN the country may need outside help to decode the black box on the Ukrainian airliner because it is damaged. “Generally speaking, Iran has the potential and know-how to decode the black box. Everybody knows that,” he said. However, Abedzadeh said, “the black box of this very Ukrainian Boeing 737 is damaged. Ukrainian Aviation experts arrived here in Tehran today. We had a session with them. From tomorrow they will start decoding the data.”

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