They know who pays them.
Political parties are cancer.
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I actually considered before clicking onto that little cardio symbol.
Had you chosen Raid instead of Deet, I could not have liked your comment without some risk of getting ICEd again.
It may seem inappropriate for this thread, but you know I had to. It’s in the rules.
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I’m going to disagree with everyone else and say that it was absolutely right to kill this. That’s because if passed it wouldn’t have started an investigation, it instead would have started a trial in the Senate. That’s just asking for an acquital that Trump supporters will crow about, without any of the benfits of digging through and airing the president’s dirt and corruption. If Rep. Green cared about doing more than a stunt his bill would have been a referral to the Judicial Committee to start impeachment investigations.
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Yeah, he puts me in mind of a howler monkey whenever I see that.
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nah we have to stand up now!
Brexit and the phukwhits who’ve allowed and pushed it have presided over a perilous economic path for the UK that defies any sense, and is seeing every metric enter the red zone.
Britain is looking at the horror and shame of 1976 again.
Meanwhile Donald the Grim is whipping people into chanting “Send Them Back!” while he smirks behind the presidential seal on a podium.
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When I arrived there was an appropriate number of comments on this thread.
@Brainspore I’m trying to work out what the political version would be of your hypothetical cop yelling, “Gun! Gun! Gun!” and then telling Internal Investigations that they feared for their life, and it was a righteous kill.
@dommerdoodle You can edit your comments after posting them (a feature I use a great deal).
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Maybe someone should try to pull some sort of Eddie Belcher on Trump.
Worth a try.
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“Green’s impeachment resolution doesn’t say anything about the Mueller investigation or Russia. It is solely focused on Trump’s comments about immigrants and the bigoted comments directed toward four Democratic congresswomen.”
That’s the problem with Green’s res - too little, too soon.
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First? Try third from Al Green.
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So you’re saying it is atavistic?
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It’s also the exact kind of attack on Dear Leader that would rile his base of racists. Cries of everything from “FREE SPEECH!!!11” to “They’re tryin’ to oppress him for tellin’ it like it is” would come out of the woodwork. That’s an anthill that needs to be kicked, but it doesn’t need to be kicked now.
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Any examples? I’ve seen no-one who’s made that argument.
At worst, it’ll be a wash for Il Douche’s re-election chances and is far more likely to damage them enough to swing a critical number of voters in battleground states. Not all of his voters in 2016 were Know-Nothings and spiteful nihilists. Some of the others might be swayed by the revelations of corruption, ties to Russia, etc. that will come out in the official proceedings.
That said, the principle is very important either way. Impeachment is provided for in the Constitution for a reason, and if there’s ever been a president who needed to be impeached it’s this one. Pelosi, but still sticking to “if” instead of “when” the House begins proceedings* and not placing her decision to vote against this resolution in that context, is creating the image of an appeaser mainly concerned with preserving the establishment and an unsustainable status quo – not the kind of Democratic leader we need to see in the lead-up to 2020.
No-one in any Western country should be complacent about the threat that right-wing populists pose to liberal democracy, least of all opposition party leaders. The fascists are crawling up from under the paving stones everywhere, and they count on centrists and members of the establishment to place dithering faith in the institutions and norms that they’re steadily chipping away at.
[* and, related, also showing antagonism to progressives in her own caucus like the Squad members who’ve been asking “impolite” questions of conservatives and capitalists that the establishment never would]
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here’s the text
NOTICE OF INTENTION TO OFFER RESOLUTION RAISING A QUESTION OF THE
PRIVILEGES OF THE HOUSE
Mr. GREEN of Texas. Madam Speaker, pursuant to clause 2(a)(1) of rule
IX, I rise to give notice of my intention to raise a question of the
privileges of the House.
The form of the resolution is as follows:
Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, of high
misdemeanors.
Resolved, that Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is
unfit to be President, unfit to represent the American values of
decency and morality, respectability and civility, honesty and
propriety, reputability and integrity, is unfit to defend the ideals
that have made America great, unfit to defend liberty and justice for
all as extolled in the Pledge of Allegiance, is unfit to defend the
American ideal of all persons being created equal as exalted in the
Declaration of Independence, is unfit to ensure domestic tranquility,
promote the general welfare and to ensure the blessings of liberty to
ourselves and our posterity as lauded in the preamble to the United
States Constitution, is unfit to protect the government of the people,
by the people, for the people as elucidated in the Gettysburg Address,
and is impeached for high misdemeanors that the following Article of
Impeachment be exhibited to the Senate:
Article of Impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of
the United States, in the name of itself, of the people of the United
States, against Donald John Trump, President of the United States, in
maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high
misdemeanors committed as President constituting harm to American
society to the manifest injury of the people of the United States:
Article I.
The House of Representatives on July 16, 2019, strongly condemned
President Donald Trump’s racist comments that have legitimized and
increased fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color by
saying that our fellow Americans who are immigrants, and those who may
look to the President like immigrants, should go back'' to other countries, by referring to immigrants and asylum seekers asinvaders,’’ and by saying that Members of Congress who are
immigrants, or those of our colleagues who are wrongly assumed to be
immigrants, do not belong in Congress or in the United States of
America.
In all of this, the aforementioned Donald John Trump has, by his
statements, brought the high office of the President of the United
States in contempt, ridicule, disgrace, and disrepute, has sown seeds
of discord among the people of the United States, has demonstrated that
he is unfit to be President, and has betrayed his trust
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as President of the United States to the manifest injury of the people
of the United States, and has committed a high misdemeanor in office.
Therefore, Donald John Trump by causing such harm to the society of
the United States is unfit to be President and warrants impeachment,
trial, and removal from office.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under rule IX, a resolution offered from the
floor by a Member other than the majority leader or the minority leader
as a question of the privileges of the House has immediate precedence
only at a time designated by the Chair within 2 legislative days after
the resolution is properly noticed.
Pending that designation, the form of the resolution noticed by the
gentleman from Texas will appear in the Record at this point.
The Chair will not at this point determine whether the resolution
constitutes a question of privilege. That determination will be made at
the time designated for consideration of the resolution.
https://www.congress.gov/116/crec/2019/07/16/modified/CREC-2019-07-16-pt1-PgH5857.htm
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The democratic party isn’t a monolith. There are members from deep blue districts and members from swing districts who barely squeaked by to get in congress. but i don’t think the party as a whole is corrupt and spineless. They just vary person to person on a scale from neo-liberals who would have been considered conservatives 60 years ago, to modern democratic socialists. Those people in the swing districts are afraid their constituency won’t go along with impeachment or that it will bolster their rivals back home. Those people are only going to go along fully when the situation is such that they can say they had no choice.
Personally, i was ready for him to be impeached before he was elected. I’m just saying I bristle at generalizations about the democratic party as a whole.
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I agree. The problems being discussed here are mainly with the party leadership. Unfortunately, in terms of leaning neoliberal and defering to the capitalist establishment and operating under the sort of pants-pissing fear you describe, they’re more monolithic than the party as a whole.
Demographics dictate that this situation will change, but it might be too late by the time it would happen.
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I remember a Samantha Bee episode shortly before the election where they were talking about “the death of the republican party”. Obviously that didn’t come to pass, but that discussion was in large part because of that demographic shift. As much as it seems like Trump has a decent chance of winning again because of the economy and the electoral college, it seems like it HAS to be a losing strategy in the long run… catering to a 40 percent and shrinking demographic. I mean… i hope… fer chrissakes.
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Mostly because the GOP leadership has responded to that demographic shift by cheating and gaming the broken system. I don’t expect the Dems to respond in kind, but the complacency and lack of aggressiveness and sense of urgency on the part of the leadership is disturbing.
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Isn’t it tragic. Yet when Obama held office the right wingers felt complete freedom to use any and all slurs against our president. They are a sickening and cowardly bunch who thrive on hate. This must change. Until then we’ll drive them back with Deet. Stay safe, resist daily.
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Looking forward to the legislative brawls like in the Taiwan Legislature.
Or old school America!
