How airlines treat the one-percenters

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True, true and not every 1%er is deserving of the outright hostility towards them that seems popular these days.

There will always be a 1%, itā€™s mathematically required. Also, there are plenty of crooks, scammers, cheats and outright criminals in the 99%.

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Itā€™s a strange analysis. Coast to coast NYC to SFO in mid-July will cost you:
$418 Coach
$2256 Business
$2766 First Class

There is no middle ground. Iā€™d pay more to be in a section with seats with >31 inch pitch and 18 inches width. Not just one seat in a sea of other little seatsā€¦ a more luxurious section. Or, rather, a more livable section.

Take out one whole row and one whole column of an Airbus A320, which has 138 coach seats. There are 6 seats abreast and 22 rows in coach. So, remove 22 seats in the column, and 5 more from one of the rows. That would make an airbus A320 coach section 20% fewer seats, or 25% bigger in physical size. Add on 20% of the $418, to get to a new price of $501.

Where are the more luxurious, no, HUMANELY sized seats for $500 instead of $418? Where are the more livable, human seats for $600? $700? There arenā€™t any.

You pay $418 to be a squished cow, or you pay >$2000 to be in First or Business Class. WTF? Their whole thing is stupid.

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reminds me of something:

ā€˜They work much harder than we do, because theyā€™re so frightfully clever. Iā€™m really awfully glad Iā€™m a Beta, because I donā€™t work so hard.ā€™

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But if youā€™re selling economy for 20% more than anyone else youā€™ll lose loads of business because most people decide on price and nothing else, even if your economy is actually economy plus and much better.

Maybe you could get traction based on word of mouth eventually, but youā€™d probably go out of business first. Slightly different, but see how badly the all business class airlines like Maxjet did.

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No, I mean something between Coach and Business class is the point. Something between $418 and $2200. Call it Banana Class.

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Know what is becoming? passive aggression. Total turn on. You donā€™t sound insecure at. all

Why do rich people always think itā€™s about jealousy? Man, itā€™s the jealous people that become rich. They imagine everyone else is as pathetic and fear driven as those spiritually poor assholes are, because it is all their limited imagination can achieve.

ā€˜I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself, than be crowded on a velvet cushion.ā€™

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There already is. Internationally, anyway.

As mentioned above, I think itā€™s the sweet spot for long haul for me (leastways, I like BAā€™s), but itā€™s a more than 20% premium IIRC.

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Yeah, I was on this to Geneva. It was nice. You know what was even nicer? Flight attendant said, ā€œYou want a drink?ā€
ā€œSure, whatcha got?ā€ I ask.
ā€œSoda, beer, wine, coffee, tea.ā€
ā€œIā€™ll take a beer. Hereā€™s my card.ā€
ā€œI donā€™t need that, thereā€™s no charge.ā€
ā€œWhat?ā€ Question marks over my head.
ā€œHahah, AMERICANS.ā€

I could have had twelve beers if I wanted to. I didnā€™t. I had two.

We are warped in the heads in our dear country.

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Who is rich? What are you talking about? Iā€™m pretty tired of every instance of a person with money turning into a wah wah wah they have money and I donā€™t rant. Really, someone can buy a bed seat on a plane. Yeah, letā€™s grab our pitchforks and burn it all to the ground because we canā€™t have it and thereā€™s just no chance they earned their wealth.

Privilege is an inescapable result of merit. Good people naturally wish to pass that on to their children.

No, I think more people are annoyed that there are only $400 tickets or $2200 tickets, and not $750 tickets with just a bit more legroom and a seat wide enough that you donā€™t have to rub fat rolls with a complete stranger and smell the Big Mac onions still lingering on their breath and feel the ear heat emanating from their head while you try to relax and get through the next 6 hours cramped in your seat, wiggling your toes to keep the pee in because the captain forgot that the seat belt sign was still turned on.

Thatā€™d make me mad enough to pillow-suffocate a serenely sleeping 1%er in a bed cocoon. I might even foment a rebellion in coach and storm first class with a band of my peasant brothers for a trash fight, and claim a few company logo Polo shirts as war trophies. Thereā€™s a lot more of us than them, and we could have a lot of fun taking a giant dump in their bed cocoons, just to let 'em know weā€™re here.

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What? Surly no one is that ignorant or heartless? That is certainly not even remotely true, possibly even the opposite of true. Unless you consider Greed or Narcissism a Merit? Those that inherit have no more merit then any other person, those that earn it often do so at the expense of their fellow man in a highly rigged system. Most people never even get the opportunity to play and those that do face a highly unlevel playing field stacked against them designed specifically to make rising to the top from nothing virtually impossible regardless of your merit. Rigged based on class, ethnicity, gender, and a lot of other merit-less factors. The richest 300 people have more combined wealth then the poorest 3,000,000,000 people combined. NOT merit, not one bit.

having a legitimate discussion isnā€™t whining, whining about those legitimate discussions is. You are the only one truly whining and not discussing. You are complaining that we are having a discussion that is crucial to the health of our economy and our nations economic vitality. If the rapidly increasing wealth gap isnā€™t fixed it is bad for everyone. Iā€™m sure well off people whined that they didnā€™t want to hear people discussing the end of slavery as well when that was the issue being discussed. No one cares if you are tired of having to plug your ears every time people try and discuss what is most likely the most crucial next big discussion in human rights and human equality. It isnā€™t tiresome until it is addressed and fixed.

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How does it workā€¦does it prevent the front seat from reclining beyond a point? And wonā€™t the airline object to interfering with the seat mechanism?

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Some airlines do. Iā€™ve just searched for a flight from London to Sydney on Virgin Atlantic:

Economy: Ā£637
Premium Economy: Ā£1912
Upper: Ā£3428

However, Iā€™ve been lucky enough to get a Premium Economy upgrade and it is exactly that. Itā€™s slightly better and unquestionably more comfortable, but still essentially economy. The difference between Economy and Premium Economy is nothing like the difference between Premium and Upper and not worth paying three times as much for (IMHO).

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Others have mentioned it as well, but ā€œPremium Economyā€ is exactly what youā€™re looking for. I donā€™t think you see it much in domestic flights, but Air Canada offers it on some flights. Iā€™m going to Dublin this summer from Toronto, itā€™ll cost me $1251CAD to fly economy, $2557CAD to fly premium economy. The difference in price makes it not worth it for me, personally (and generally I refuse to fly Air Canada any way. I can fly Air Transat on that same route for under $1000CAD, and the staff on Air Transat is WAY nicer)

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The chart at your first link was very revealing to me for a different reason. The taxable income amounts were broken out into ā€œsingleā€, ā€œmarried filing jointlyā€, and ā€œhead of householdā€. Look at those numbers. Married couples make a helluva lot more than twice the income of singles, and theyā€™re not even on the same planet as heads of households. Iā€™ve never seen the distinction so clearly before.

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Arguing for fairness isnā€™t the same thing as jealousy.

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Keep in mind: thereā€™s no way samsa is actually part of the 1%, let alone the 0.1%.

Wealthy people donā€™t spend time on the internet putting down poor people, except for those few who are much more obvious about it (for example, Donald Trump). Samsa is a wannabe.

(edited because my sentence structure skills seem to be deteriorating)

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I do. Whenever possible I spend my time on MSNBCā€™s comments site. Itā€™s jolly fun!

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