How airlines treat the one-percenters

I saw that. Interesting at the top end that married couples earn more than twice what single people do. Being married helps with promotion? Rich people are more likely to get married?

Both are true. Well, I should say that on average men who get married or are expecting a baby get promotions and raises whereas women (again, on average) get passed over due to the expectation that they won’t have the time or inclination to give 150% at work anymore. When I worked in consulting in the South in the 1970’s, managers would admit that out loud to my face; now, it’s never acknowledged and most managers probably don’t even realize they’re doing it, but they are.

And rich people (or young adults with good prospects due to elite education) have a tendency to marry each other. Opposites attract in many ways, but when it comes to lifestyle preferences, it doesn’t seem to work that way.

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Well, not eggggggg-zactly. That’s a twisted version of the scenario I presented, because a $2500 ticket is way out of line with the economy price of $1250. From $400 to $600 or even to $700 is not way out of line with the economy price, in practical terms.

But as you pointed out, the leap from $1250 to $2500 is a ripoff. That’s DOUBLE. $1250 -> 2500 is way out of line with what I’m suggesting. It should be $1250 -> $1750 MAXIMUM, because I’m only wanting 20 to 25% more space, so the upcharge should be NO MORE than 50% or I’ll feel ripped off.

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Mine too. I blame my crappy public education and lack of adult enrichment opportunities. Now, back to my TV shows.

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Premium economy really shouldn’t be 3x the economy price.

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Expecting airlines to do things rationally or logically is going to be your downfall. :slight_smile:

I’ve noticed that everyone that’s replied to you ā€œnuh-uh, Such-and-Such airline has exactly what you’re asking for,ā€ that it’s not a US carrier. Not at all surprising, after all, this is 'Merr’ka: Pay the maximum possible price for the least possible product, then act like you’re all superior for getting screwed over. Yay!

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I’m sure they appreciate your saying so, o noble paladin. Wheras what you did there, not annoying at all, and totes diff.

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sigh…

If they split it out further, and differentiated the parents who have their own parents living nearby from those who don’t, you’d probably see something there too.

I don’t know how many millions of dollars in psychiatric treatment I’ve saved by having my Mom take the kids for a day… but I bet the difference (between parenting with help from your own parents or without) is pretty similar to the difference (between being a single parent or being part of a pair).

Parentheses added for clarity, because my composition skills are poor today too. :wink:

That’s how it all works, in America at least. You convince the biggest losers that the people keeping them down are the people who want a level playing field, and that someday real soon now the losers are going to be part of the ruling class, with all the cheesesteaks and high class hookers they can handle. It’s why the good ol’ boys in Southern US states tend to vote for the people who will do their families the most economic damage - it’s part of a self-reinforcing meme set that is impervious to most forms of reason, because anyone arguing against it is just a ā€œwhinerā€ who wants to subvert the Ayn Rand paradise that’s just out of reach forever.

Have you ever tried to convince a dittohead that US environmentalists have zero political power and are in no way responsible for nuclear power being unsafe and uneconomical? It’s like talking to a wall, you can present independently confirmable facts all day long and get nowhere. A better argument is usually that the French have nuclear power, so it can’t possibly be good.

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Please give a few examples of this hostility that’s so popular. Seems to me the modern rich have the best lives of anyone who has ever lived on planet earth and therefore very little to complain about. So why all the complaining?

Because a few people point out inequality? In most cases it’s not hostility, it’s just making some basic observations about economics.

If anything, the number of people barely keeping it together who aren’t hostile towards the rich is pretty impressive.

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Airlines are notoriously unprofitable. So, it’s not like they’re screwing over the poor and rolling in cash. The fact is that the market has telegraphed loud and clear that what the vast majority of people value in air travel is low-priced tickets, not slightly more legroom.

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Actually, according to Wikipedia, quite a few American airlines offer some form or other of Premium Economy.

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ā€œpay the maximum possible priceā€ for domestic airfare? I just booked a ticket to fly from DC to Los Angeles for about $300. Transcontinental air travel 50 years ago was out of reach of everyone except the wealthy, and was substantially more dangerous than it is today. Seems like the market is providing people with exactly what they want, which is low priced tickets and near-perfect safety.

And, as someone else noted, the major US airlines all offer premium economy seating with more legroom, priority boarding, etc.

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Airlines are subsidized with tax dollars for perfectly good military reasons. But your point about what the market is demanding is still valid… I would only add that when the vast majority of people can’t afford high-priced tickets, it’s kind of a self-evident tautology. Of course everyone wants tickets to cost something less than or equal to the money they have to spend, right?

And the wealthy will always have the opportunity to have better things; that’s another tautology, it’s what wealth means. But historically the rich will sometimes insist on rigging the economic playing field to favor their inept spawn, and eventually that callousness ends up dragging down everyone, including said inept offspring and any rich or poor folk who deserved better. Look at Samsa up above (hopefully he’s just trolling, though.) Putting forth the idea that it’s somehow morally right to inherit unearned wealth in the same breath as saying that the wealthy deserve special favor? That attitude is what gives you both amoral aristocracies and bloody revolutions.

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Indeed, and it’s definitely not three times better. I’d probably consider paying for it if it was 1.5x the price but I’m pretty sure the airlines price it that way for a reason. I just don’t know what the reason is.

I agree (although I’m somewhat shorter.) It’s people taking the wrong mindset. The space assigned to you is that from your seat reclined, to where the seat would be in front of you if that person reclined.
If you can’t fit into that space, perhaps you should consider paying for a seat of a size suitable for you?

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You can’t really extrapolate anything out of that data in isolation. A huge chunk of your 18-25 years olds are filing as single, during their lowest-income years, simply because they haven’t gotten married yet. I’ve filed taxes for about twenty years, with about half of those as ā€œsingleā€ and half as ā€œmarried.ā€ My average income during the married years (the last ten) is probably five times higher what the average was for the first ten years I filed as a single individual. But that’s simply because I’m an established professional now, not a 16 year old stock clerk!

And it’s been a long time since I looked into this, but filing as ā€œhead of householdā€ is more of a quirky thing (unmarried, but supporting another individual).

You would really need to isolate the data in some other form (looking only at individuals versus married couples of the same age, for example) before even thinking of drawing any conclusions.

Those are good points.

It’s also true that older married couples on the down side of the lifetime wave of income are also included. And that the mega-gajillionaires (entertainment and sports) seem to cluster in the younger range. And single later in life usually means divorced or widowed, both of which involve a hit to one’s financial situation. As you say: the data needs to be pulled apart in many different ways to figure out what the key factors really are.

For the record, I’m a head of household, so I know what the term means.