maybe the ouroboros of irony is now complete, in the sense of Throbbing Gristle’s original coinage of the term - (the critique of commercial music which is created through bona fide industrial processes). e.g. The Beatles, ABBA and Michael Jackson are surely the truest industrial of all.
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I like NiN, but this is no industrial. Recently I’ve seen an interview of Blixa from Neubauten that was saying that there was only one industrial band, Throbbing Gristle, and that was all. And that industrial music was not made to be enjoyed but on the contrary to be non pleasant. NiN never made unpleasant songs because there was always a melody, so not industrial at all according to Mr Bargeld 
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Right, this- they were the hardcore evangelists. I’d bet my shirt that more punks from the Midwest have the bars tat (per capita) than anywhere else in the us, and there’s a very good reason for it- they were the first punk band to come to my town, most of our towns. When I started going to the shows, one of my favorite things was to read the old flyers all over the walls, trying to find bands to check out, or just wondering what that show was like to experience. The oldest flyers, always, there was black flag, playing this random shithole when it was in its infancy. As I started playing shows and touring all over the Midwest, same thing any time you stepped into a venue that had been throwin punk shows long enough. So yeah.
Relative artistic merits aside, ya that’s just a bit more impact than Crass. And that’s before you even dig into the whole ethos of DIY music production borne out of SST
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You can enjoy Depeche Mode AND Throbbing Gristle, I don’t really see your point
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I heard this when it was new, and I still love it: harsh, brutal, uncompromising. I can absolutely guarantee that none of these songs have ever been played on the UK radio ( John Peel the obvious exception ) https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=godflesh+streetcleaner
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Found it back, that was on post-punk.com (that’s why it took me a while, I really don’t read this blog a lot 
). So, Blixa about industrial genre
You are headlining the Industrial Festival. Although you, Blixa, do not have the best associations with this word …
Blixa: I hated it when they called us that. For me, industrial is Throbbing Gristle. The end. They invented the term. Then it disappeared for a long time, then appeared in the USA and was described in such different things, from Ministry to NIN … everything was industrial! If you use such words, especially in music journalism, you have to be very careful … What the hell is industrial? Monte Cazazza or Marilyn Manson?
It is a very capacious species.
It’s even worse! Now, suddenly, everything is industrial. Do you know what was the idea of industrial, the real one? I think Monte Cazzaza himself said it. But Genesis and Peter Christopherson used it in their art. And this is the one and only thing everyone is forgetting about now. MUSIC IS NO PLEASURE! (hits his hand on the table)
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I disagree so hard here. That synth sound is just so… wimpy. And that vocoder effect? Just no…
The 2000s albums I’m kind of with you, but Psalm 69? Cheesy? SERIOUSLY.
My error, I should have posted this link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfN7OR5q_xw
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For decades, Illusion Of Safety fans called the band “IOS” for short. Then the iPhone came out…
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Not exactly industrial or punk, but damn. Diamanda Galas, holy crap. Enjoy?
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So does my daughter, which is why I’ve had to resort to playing this video when she won’t wake up for school.
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Ah, that’s fascinating. I hadn’t heard that artist before.
As for EN, I stopped following them a few years ago. I should look up their most recent stuff, too. I think they’ve done a couple of crowd-funded albums. And the band lineup has changed a lot. But it looks like they just released one last year. Hmm. I will have to check that out.
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I’d always seen Clock DVA classified that way – maybe it applies more to their late 80s/early 90s material (though with which I’m unfamiliar), but early on they were actually on TG’s Industrial Records, and Genesis wrote liner notes for Thirst. But I never heard Thirst as “industrial:”
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Head Like a Hole sounds a lot more gentle than I remember, but Mr. Self Destruct and a lot of rest of The Downward Spiral are still hard as hell though.
Breadlord, I have to disagree with your disagreement Listen to that track on a good system at high volume and it’s heavier than anything Al’s done since. That album is a masterpiece, especially with production, as well as The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste – both of those albums are in my top 20 albums of all time, easily. I like Psalm 69 too but that album is the beginning of the end for Ministry. Full disclosure: I was an assistant engineer on that album.
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And considering that they’re about to start a tour and they’re fresh on my brain, I’ll chuck in Nitzer Ebb.
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Loveless, along with Doppelgänger, OK Computer and Achtung Baby are the very best albums of the 90s, imo. Loveless still sounds like it’s from another planet in the future. Incredible album.
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What a trip down memory lane!
This is one of the things I miss most about living in a college town. If you were lucky enough to live near a college that had an independent radio station and a couple of people who took their student jobs seriously, you had a premium opportunity to hear the cool, the weird, and the cutting edge… all without a subscription.
Thankfully, the Internet preserves a lot of the old cool stuff and still opens the door to some new cool stuff.
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