Damn. I came here just to made that quip and you put it right into the article. pouts
Though Iâd love to see how Fox pundits explain how this torture.
Thanks, Obama!
Hey, but they donât have a doctor watching. Cruel bastards!
Hey, itâs just âenhanced interrogationâ, just like in the Civilized Worldâ˘!
I think this is relevantâŚ
As long as they werenât tortured.
âDoctorâ
If this specific aspect of the political/war climate doesnât polarize ones beliefs about the legitimacy of the tactics used post 9/11 by the US for gathering intelligence, or the intelligence of any group willingly emulating those tactics, than it will surely radicalize them. I donât remember where I heard or read it yesterday, but one pundit was only concerned about what the consequences of the US previous policy on torture would have on US citizens, and not the effect it would have on the rest of of the world. An angry swarm of wasps doesnât really care who it stings on itâs way to itâs new nest.
Hey, I didnât go to Evil Medical School for 7 years just to be called âDoctorâ.
Those barbarians. Where did they learn to commit such atrocities?
where do you learn the art of decapitation?
Waterboarding should be called controlled drowning. They actually fill the lungs with water, so your body is sending the signal âyouâre dyingâ to your brain. Itâs not about inducing pain: itâs about inducing psychological trauma.
Theyâre drowning you but âsaveâ you just before you finally die (heart attack?)
Thatâs why they put you on a flipping board: to quickly purge your lungs when theyâre loosing you (I doubt they do CPR).
Oh, and in the beginnings the Guantanamo bay inmates were choking with their own vomit: small chunks of food couldnât be flushed away from their lungs. Too many of them were dying, so no more chunky soup!
Du manger mou for you this week! Lucky you!
PS: If someone waterboarded me and after offered me the choice to rather have my throat slit (after reading a text before a camera), Iâll probably choose the latter.
Was it Sean Hannity who said heâd get waterboarded but never did? Christopher Hitchens actually did it. The video is pretty disturbing.
Do you have a reference for this? Iâve never heard of waterboarding actually filling the victimâs lungs with water. Itâs extremely difficult to believe that you could evacuate the lungs anything like quickly enough to maintain consciousness.
My understanding is that the incline of the board helps produce the terror of drowning.
This guy tried it: I waterboard! (referenced here on BoingBoing!)
And recently when waterboarding tape destructions was news (âVomiting and screamingâ in destroyed waterboarding tapes) this US Navy trainer said âWaterboarding is drowning in a slow, controlled mannerâ
And for the medical ameliorations of the technique, hereâs a snippet from [Medics performed âinterrogation researchâ, Human-rights advocacy group alleges major ethics breaches. Nature]
On the basis of this data collection, the report continues, CIA medical personnel replaced water in the waterboarding procedure with saline (salt) solution, to reduce the risk of a detainee contracting pneumonia or developing dangerously low levels of sodium in the blood, which can result from swallowing huge quantities of water. They further modified the procedure by putting detainees on a liquid diet before interrogation, to make them less likely to choke on their own vomit, and introducing a specially designed gurney to move the detainee upright quickly in case of choking.
So it appears that lungs do fill (partially?)
Iâm not getting from either source that the lungs fill partially or fully (what does âpartialâ filling even mean?). What I get is that in the extreme, a small amount of water might be aspirated. The point being that when there is no air in the lungs and you feel water start to go into the trachea, you experience an unimaginable terror. This terror being the goal. The point of the saline being a) if a small amount is aspirated, it is less likely to produce pneumonia than plain water, and b) if large amounts are swallowed, as they are likely to be, it wonât disturb your electrolyte balance.
Donât get me wrong, this is a completely fucking barbaric thing, and easily meets the standard of torture. Iâm just being pedantic and pointing out that filling the lungs with fluid would almost surely result in death, and that that is not what the process is about.
Well⌠youâre correct, I was confusing lung with respiratory tract. Water filled bronchiole, then.
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