Jill Stein is a fearmongering crank who thinks Wi-Fi harms children's brains

If you google “California primary election fraud”, you might be surprised. The material is out there, but it’s not considered newsworthy. Probably nothing to worry about…

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Shockingly, this post devolved quickly into a terminal stupid-fest. It’s just these kinds of reasoned, “well, it might cause some kind of cancerish thing.” that we heard about climate change, probably by the same people. Why must the Green party always have the Nonsense Brigade show up in force whenever someone comments about the loon Stein? I guess for the same reason sealions gotta sealion on gamergate. They can’t help themselves.

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complete nonsense.

It is the group of minds behind the decision to create a system of universal health care that also rallies behind the idea of caution. Precisely the same caution that Jill Stein expresses. She is extremely well informed, she just doesn’t know how to condense answers into a 140 character limit on a site made for teenagers. And frankly, unfortunately, the more she has to raise her voice (like that video) the less articulate she is allowed to be.

What’s accurate is: We don’t have a single shred of evidence to show that vaccines have a link to autism. At all. We have as the single best study, one showing that there’s no dose-response curve between non-ionizing radiation from things like cellphones and wifi, and cancer. And we have a consensus that water fluoridation is safe and effective when properly regulated.

It’s quite frankly reckless to stop public health initiatives that have worked so well for half a century and longer, and it’s at this point jumping at shadows to assume that cellphone and wifi radiation is risky beyond causing heating.

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Actually, you can read what they say today (OK, in 2014):

A large number of studies have been performed over the last two decades to assess whether mobile phones pose a potential health risk. To date, no adverse health effects have been established as being caused by mobile phone use.

If you read through the link, you’ll see that the classification was not on the basis that there was any evidnce of risk, but simply that “credible” (read: political) questions been raised. They are supposedly releasing a definitive literature review this year.

It is the group of minds behind the decision to create a system of universal health care that also rallies behind the idea of caution.

“More studies are needed, we need to be cautious” is the classic retort to attempts to make science-based decisions, though it is a tool usually used by the right. From drug policy to environmental policy to climate change, the tactics you’re supporting have been the instruments by which Republicans from Nixon to Reagan to the two Bushes have blocked critical change.

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Geez, the fucking “in Europe” shit. I’m so tired of that crap.

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And, of course, the very relevant mouseover text: So, uh, we did the green study again and got no link. It was probably a-- “RESEARCH CONFLICTED ON GREEN JELLY BEAN/ACNE LINK; MORE STUDY RECOMMENDED!”

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Exactly. He’s like a Libertarian Donald Trump. None of this “I’m a marijuana entrepreneur, but I don’t think other drugs should be legal” crap that Johnson’s spouting. This guy is a bona fide designer bath salt pioneer. And, I mean, getting arrested for possession of a pistol while intoxicated within a week of fleeing back to the states? Pure class. 10% of the electorate voting for that guy would send a much stronger message than 1/4 of them voting for Johnson.

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I’m from California and your earlier comment is the first I’ve heard of any voting irregularities.

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You did join seven minutes ago. Stick around and comment some, get to know the community before you’re granted other permissions here.

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Argh, you went and hit a nerve:

[quote=“beschizza, post:1, topic:82521, full:true”]
The thing that’s weird is this: unlike Clinton, she can be direct and truthful about what her principles are.[/quote]

NO politician who’s not direct and truthful about what their principles are deserves anyone’s vote, ever. Say what you mean, mean what you say should be the rule. Bernie did that & Jeremy Corbyn seems to do that, but alas, they are the exceptions.

Of course, Hillary Clinton doesn’t appear to have any principles at all apart from “Hillary for President”, and Trump is a pathological liar and crook who’s probably unable to tell the truth about anything with a straight face. A plague on both of your houses!

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Snopes is calling it incomplete

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And yet still a solid choice in this election. Wheeeeee

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First, what puts me off the Green Party is that they start off rational and then suddenly come out with some utterly irrational ideas, some of which are wishful thinking and some of which are just bizarre, almost as bizarre as some Republican ideas.

However…
With microwave radiation, the risk is the excitation of biological-scale molecules. Microwave ovens work by exciting water molecules, resulting in heat, and heat affects various cell structures (“cooking” in the case of microwave ovens.) Therefore any microwave radiation with significant body penetration is a potential biological hazard.
However, like alpha-emitters, low level wireless communication has very low penetration and can barely make it through the skin. Heating effects are insignificant. So on that basis, wifi doesn’t worry me at all.
The most likely biological effect of mobile phones is from direct heating, but modern phones don’t heat the side of your face up very much and I don’t worry about that either.

Back in the 90s when mobile phones were just becoming widespread there was a lot of interest in possible biological effects of low level low frequency (compared with light) EM radiation. As far as I know the research since has failed to turn up any convincing evidence at all for such effects at the energies that were eventually adopted. But just because “PHYSICS” says one thing today doesn’t mean we will not know more tomorrow, and I think we were completely justified in starting long term studies for possible effects,

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Absolutely. And now cranks are simply ignoring long term studies. So we have to take them to school.

In my not so humble opinion, the primary problem cellphones and wifi cause are massive circadian disruption, which on its own can’t be discounted. But the radiation from common devices, according to the literature, is harmless-to-warm.

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the stuff in lower “potencies” can actually be harmful. if the arsenic or mercury (both used in homoeopathy) are not dilluted enough the result can be a fun toxication

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“provings”

Yeah–Bernie lost in California, therefore there was massive ballot tampering.

Not only that, he lost in California after being consistently down in the polls there, which means the mainstream media was in on it too.

And now they’re refusing to report on either the massive ballot tampering or the correctness of the polls pointing to a media conspiracy, which just confirms what a massive conspiracy it was! It all hangs together!

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Yes but so is infrared and we bathe ourselves in kilowatts of the stuff.

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