But my point is that this is how elections work. One side is always going to try to dampen the enthusiasm of the other side. And if Sanders’ base is this susceptible to dampening and staying home, of course that’s something that should be taken into account in any hypothetical race against Trump, no?
This is so incredibly wrong in my opinion that I am awestruck. Perhaps you are willing to let Roe be overturned along with courts being generationally stacked with Trump appointees, let our last best chance to mitigate climate change go away, and let Trump fundamentally remake our system of government in the name of this kind of accelerationism, but I am not. I see no evidence that some glorious workers’ party would rise from the ruins of our system of government.
You’ve a point, Pony Soldier.
I’m afraid, however, that this is kind of a
“you’ve gotta’ go to war with the army you’ve got”
kinda’ situation.
I don’t like it worth a damn either.
Y’all are taking the leap that these statements are somehow linked to Biden personally. Wellll… I’ll hand that hot potato right back to you without an oven mitt. I was talking about the well-known tyranny of the majority after the commenter made his comments about “why don’t you guys just fall in line” or whatever nonsensical bullshit was attempted to be foisted down our sore throats.
YOU may feel happy about Biden and revel in your personal agreement with the majority, of course because that is your right, but I feel no such love. The majority has screwed people for decades and I’m not going to “just go along with it.” I retain my right to protest at all times, at any time.
I’m not sure I see much of that happening here. But the reality is that Biden won some important states and barring something unforeseen, he’s probably going to be the Democratic nominee running against Trump. Which means that either Biden or Trump is going to be the next President. Railing against the majority is all fine and dandy, but them’s the facts.
Bernie should step aside now and endorse Biden. Let’s focus on the task at hand: beating Trump in November.
I can understand why Bernie supporters will be disappointed in this outcome. But ask yourselves: is 4 more years of Trump worth making a protest vote? Is 20 years of a 6-3 conservative supreme court worth a protest vote? Choose wisely.
I’m not American, and if I was, I would have voted for Warren. But let me try and tackle this.
Basically, Joe Biden is a known quantity. He’s a man with a thirty-six year career in the Senate, and Obama’s VP for two terms. He’s definitely an establishment Democrat, but also basically as blue-collar a senator as you could be. Crucially, for these primaries, he’s someone the Black American community trusts not to leave them hanging, and trusts the white American voters will come out and vote for. (See all the stuff about how in the South, the local black people are the Democratic establishment, and find Sanders’ anti-establishment talk a threat to their ability to get things done to help the local community.)
Furthermore, the Democratic primary voters, by and large, are not leftists. They may like and support many left-wing policies, but they identify as Democrats, and they are put off by the revolutionary rhetoric from Sanders camp, and his “outsider” status. These people have seen Trump, a real outsider, show up and spend three years wrecking everything. They want sanity and stability back. They want someone to start fixing the machineries of government that Trump has been breaking down or leaving idle. They are willing to vote for Sanders to get rid of the Orange Shitgibbon in the WH, but they are leery of his talk about radical change and upending things. And that’s where Biden steps in: a believable alternative, a solid Democratic choice who is promising a return to normality, to sanity and stability.
Finally, unlike what some people seem to think, Biden has entirely reasonable and respectable slate of policies and positions for his campaign. He’s not a Republican or even a Blue Dog, but a solid Democrat, and that appeals to an awful lot of people who, I repeat, are not leftists.
state legislatures could start working on mail in balloting, patterned after oregon, california, or washington… but that would mean they want everyone to vote, so the results in your particular state might vary.
still, might not be a bad time to write your state rep.
I have watched him on the Sunday morning news shows. He is fine.
I’ve been watching him for 30+ years, he has always been a different person standing in front of a crowd than in a comfortable setting, though in the old days he’d respond to public pressure with anger and attacks instead of articulation difficulties.
His mouth can no longer keep up with his mind. That is not uncommon for people in later life. It is better than the opposite, which has always been true of the current president.
there is no way in heck he will be fit for a re-election campaign in four years
while absolutely true, and while i get your over all point, kids were held at those facilities temporarily because of the sudden influx of unaccompanied minors. ( as your link says: up to 3 days. )
contrast this with the trump administration which forcibly separated children from their parents and guardians, sent them to different locations in the us, and deliberately lost paperwork.
not only did they reuse those temporary shelters that the obama administration built, they built more.
now we have children held in actual cages and detention for the long term, with no idea who their parents were.
trump’s policy wasn’t done as a reaction to events, it was done - as his administration has said - to punish people for coming to the us, and to scare other would be immigrants away.
And, funnily enough, when people set boundaries, and say “ok don’t do that again, or I’m leaving,” and then follow through with it, people who identify with the abuser will blame the victim. So, exactly like abusive personal relationships.
If someone complains about “spoilers,” or about people voting third party, and they don’t have ranked-choice voting on their platform, it’s gaslighting, pure and simple.
Remember when tea-party supporters then later Trump supporters decried any question of backroom deals with Russian oligarchs as Neo-McCarthyism?
I think we’re broken as a society. We can’t discuss much anymore without labeling someone a traitor and enemy of the state. It’s mostly wild rhetoric without any intent behind it, for now, until that one time where it won’t be just talk.
my point is that both sideism here is untrue and self-defeating.
we should be decriminalizing border crossings, expanding guest and migrant worker programs, and getting ice dissolved.
while biden will never support those things ( he happily calls undocumented americans “illegals” ) -
that doesn’t mean he will continue a program which targets families in order to cause them maximum pain.
that plan was cooked up by the current administration and it is a clear violation of human and civil rights
I also think Biden is mediocre, but Bernie seems more and more like an asshole as time goes on… I probably align with him the most politically, but I don’t trust he will have a gracious exit. But come November, regardless who wins or loses, I’m done with any Dems who don’t vote for the nominee.
FWIW, I think the next phase is going to be filled with a lot of hot air from a segment of Sanders supporters about how they’re done with the Democrats and how they’d rather burn it all down than vote for Biden, and this country has what’s coming to it for being so foolish as to reject Sanders, etc. etc., and then come fall the vast majority of them will go into the booth and vote for Biden. Because it’s the most moral, rational, and practical choice by miles and miles, and the vast majority of those folks aren’t complete assholes.
