Kamala Harris can beat Trump easier than Biden (or anyone else) can, says new CNN poll

I think it was a call to action, but Seth Abramson forgets not everyone knows Seth Abramson.

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Is that the new “I did it to piss off Joey”? :thinking:

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I guess I took away from the longer thread that this isn’t about an inevitability, but about what COULD happen if we let it. He certainly is framing it in a language of inevitability, but I’m sure like many of us, he’s feeling real fear here and is probably hoping that people take action to make sure it doesn’t.

I don’t think he’s wrong, though, that people aren’t often critical enough on their media consumption and that means that the media shapes our political reality.

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I think we have to push back on the language of inevitability where we can (and I say this as some one who fails regularly at this despite sincere effort). If inevitability is not completely certain it should not be presumed. How we talk about things matters. Anyone who insists it isn’t so is lying.

If I took one lesson from the internet it’s that one.

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Yeah. Pretty obvious point to us happy bbsers.

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Very true… and his thread there could just becoming from a place of despair… because events are scary and despair inducing. I do agree that we should not accept this outcome as inevitable.

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It’s morbid, but I’ve had a nagging thought ever since this past weekend - what if both Biden and Trump drop dead before election day? It’s a possibility; they’re both old, and Trump has been one hamberder away from a coronary for years.

And, given how crappy this timeline is, it would figure.

:thinking:

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Delayed election?

I wonder too. I can also imagine either one pulling out before then “for health reasons” – Biden more than Tromp. Though not both.

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I don’t really care who people like CNN think might win in their Fantasy Political League games.

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Not a problem for Biden, as Harris would then be president, and would then run for the next term. The GOP would be thrown into chaos, and struggle to find a replacement.

People keep freaking out about the possibility of biden dying in general, but has everyone forgotten (not you, but just people in general) that it’s happened before and we have a way to keep the business of government going? :woman_shrugging:

Why? The Democrats could transition seamlessly to Harris, and the GOP would have an internal power struggle, me thinks. Win-win. I mean, not for Biden, who’d be dead… but you get me.

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Would they tho? Biden hasn’t been officially nominated yet, so she’s not a presumptive replacement. And from what I’m hearing so far, there’s not at all a consensus among Dem pols that she should be if Biden does drop out.

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Okay. Sure. whatever. :woman_shrugging:

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I also wonder how much Biden standing aside would energise the Republicans into thinking they’ve made the right choice in going with Trump? The narrative would be ‘Biden ran away - Trump can’t be beat’ and that could become a self-fulfilling prophecy leading us all to destruction.

From this side of the Atlantic, the Biden presidency looks to have been a very good one - especially given the obstructionism from the Republicans in Congress and the Supreme Court - but why aren’t they shouting more about their achievements?

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I’m just… a little flummoxed as to why people believe that the one party that isn’t fascist, would abandon precedent and the smooth functioning of government the way the other party has? Like… okay, she’s not nominated yet, but she’d become the president and why wouldn’t they rally around the incumbent and all the advantages that being an incumbent confers? Normality is their whole campaign strategy (for better or worse). :woman_shrugging:

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That couldn’t happen - the date of the general election is set in the United States Code:

The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election, in each of the States and Territories of the United States, of Representatives and Delegates to the Congress commencing on the 3d day of January next thereafter.

Both parties would have to find new candidates - not a problem for the Democrats as they have a Vice President. More of an issue for the Republicans.

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My impression in 2020 was that Biden intended to be a one and done president, with the intent to “right the ship” and hopefully move on to another candidate.

With, of course, the assumption that the GOP would divest themselves of TFG, he would be too wrapped up in legal woes, or Blood Clot 2020 would strike.

However, none of those things came to light, and here we are.

I personally don’t feel that Harris is the best alternative, nor that she was the best choice for VP. But I wasn’t in that particular smoke-filled room during the selection process. I’ve felt over the last few election cycles that the Dem party has supported candidates more because it was their “turn” than for someone who could win and move things forward.

So we have to dance with who we brung, because the alternative is much worse.

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What I’ve read is that, technically, the election date could be changed through legislation since it’s not set by the constitution. (The odds that any such legislation makes it through Congress is basically zero, though.) But there’s definitely no constitutional way to prevent the presidential term from ending on noon January 20, and there’s all kinds of different scenarios for who gets sworn in as the new president, largely depending on different timelines for when people die, get incapacitated or whatever.

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That’s my take too. I’m not convinced Harris would be a great president but she’d be a lot better than Trump in all respects.

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