Agreed. I don’t abide bullies or fascists, believe me. I am more than willing to be an advocate and ally to everyone being targeted by them.
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And this is a salient point, because they are truly out to get you, so why would they play by the rules in a debate? Wanting people to not exist is not an honest nor civic platform.
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I really need someone to explain why it’s always progressives that need to reach out and really try to understand these people. Are the people with “Liberal Hunting Licenses” who are threatening civil war just trying to understand why progressives believe what they believe? How about the book burners, or the don’t say gay types, or the conversion therapy advocates?
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I’m OK with that as long as you accept that comes from a place of privilege and there comes a point that doint that isn’t possible anymore. I am watching in horror as people I thought of as reasonable come out with genocidal rhetoric, or saying that maybe the fascists have a point. How can I show someone who I have known for years evidence of the truth, when they declare that people like me don’t have a right to exist? Sure, they say that I am one of the good ones, but they refuse to accept that the good ones are eradicated anyway.
By they way, if you are want to show them the truth, stop pretending that they are conservative. They have far more in common with fascism, some of them are completely fascist now. Look up what happened to the Institut fur Sexualwissenschaft in 1933 and compare to what Republicans and Tories are doing right now.
I need to focus on staying alive, and if that means people who will do me harm are cut out of my life then I will do that with no regrets.
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To do otherwise only brings the end faster. Fuck that.
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Very true. Maybe I didn’t make my point clear because I was talking about the videos question ‘How come everyone who goes to college is a Biden supporter?’ about college and liberalism and not that college is the only way to education.
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Mind your back. Goalposts can be surprisingly heavy.
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“Well, hey, I can’t speak for everybody, but I studied statistics; calculus; physics; biology; chemistry; neuroscience; a yearlong survey of great literature from Roman & Greek classics and the Bible to modern literature; Shakespeare; and how to avoid getting fooled and taken advantage of by bullshitters.”
WTF, dude? This is so wrong I don’t know where to start.
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Sorry, I thought the question in the video and was part of the tweet was a given in my response.
many people that can regurgitate facts for an exam, even perform tasks such as writing a computer program, or contribute just enough work on a group project to get a passing grade.
Rude. I’m standing right here.
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This bit of this reply is really hitting a nerve for a lot of us. I live in the second most educated community in the US, and let me tell ya, a lot of these phd’s have huge egos, but zero knowledge outside their tiny slivers of study. They’ll go on and on about how terrible something they have no working knowledge of is. It’s ridiculous. Like, maybe ‘stay in your lane’?
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So close to another relevant question? “How come all the bigots, child rapists, racists, fascists, … support the orange?”
Yeah, because people go to school at least learn history and know their rights instead of 2A - right to murder people I don’t like and “right to child marriage” 
Dumb fuck.
All these fucking stupid nuts think their “pondering” in thought is something so “deep” while it only took a K-12 kid who can read 5 seconds to realize.
No, I’m not.
Your original post said that people who are educated “don’t fall for hate”. They, in fact, do “fall for it” because it benefits them to do so. It’s about ideology, not whatever piece of paper you have… If you meant something else, then clarify, but sure as shit don’t tell me what I meant.
More than half of white men voted for Trump, not biden, regardless of college education. Race was a much better metric for understanding who voted for the GOP, not educational attainment…
So either you are arguing that educated people did not vote for Trump (which is untrue) or your point is very muddled and is in need of clarification.
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Or practice media literacy, something I think we need way more education on!
Along the same lines, my HS chemistry teacher said, “I learn something new every day.” That always stuck with me. I love him for that.
Echoing that! I also had a break btwn HS and college, and got far more out of college bc of it! So much more.
Agreed, that video was pretty heartening. And also:
100% agreed. When I do have the energy to engage these people, I feel obligated bc I realize I am coming from a place of privilege. But I don’t feel anyone else is obligated at all. At all. Seriously, not ever. Fuck these guys.
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Confrontation and contempt harden opposition, but understanding and engagement subvert it.
Word. I feel the same way.
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I’ve got a STEM degree and have worked in high-end IT all my career (25+ years) and there’s a not-insignificant swath of conservatism that runs through IT that we just don’t talk about.
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If you want to find a nest of Ayn Rand worshipers in a hurry, check out any major bank’s IT department.
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I really wonder if the anger was because “your valid logic is breaking my cognitive dissonance!” or simply “how DARE you imply I’m a weak liberal pansy who doesn’t beat and terrorize my kids!” A lot of these people really do hold basic human compassion in utter contempt.
Not much is persuasive to scorpions. I will say that making college education more affordable and accessible to everyone would go a long way towards reducing the frequency of people like Gramps, but lack of education and being rural are not an excuse. Sure, better education and being in a more diverse, populated environment might make it easier for someone to grow up as a decent person, but in the end it’s their personal responsibility to, sooner or later in life, actually think for themselves and decide what kind of person they want to be. There are plenty of rural, uneducated people who aren’t monsters, and plenty of city-dwelling, college educated people who are. Everyone makes mistakes and changes over time, but if Grampa-in-Law has come this far, through Trump and Black Lives Matter and COVID, and still is a racist dickweed, it sounds like he’s made his choice.
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Dunno man, there’s a pretty solid representation of them in most of tech: e-sports, programmers, developers, suits, c-suite dudes (usually dudes). I’ve been circulating–marinating–in these overlapping cultures either because of family, friends, or I had to work in these ecosystems myself.
I think I am getting the appeal of… medievalism… on some level.
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