Here, lets re-frame and see if it makes the victim-blaming problem here a little more easy to understand.
“The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt at 2am should cause convulsions of schadenfreude regardless of where you stand on the abuse of women.”
Kinda gross, aint it?
the Walther P22 is both a red herring, and entirely capable of killing.
Didn’t know that one example from 5 years ago was the gold standard that we had decided upon… Two solo fellers from just last month are probably statistical anomalies.
No lifting involved - just kickin’ back and enjoying those hangin’ stawmen that I guess are part of the season.
Kinda’ grossly false analogy.
Oh, well… I didn’t know there was a time limit. Strawman indeed.
I need you to explain this reference to me, Im kinda slow.
Precisely my point, there needs to be a rationale. Cleaver’s pants might look unusual, but he clearly explained why he designed them the way he did - in contrast to thousands of pants which are made the same as each other “just because”.
There are people for whom hiding the genitals is not a virtue, it is a neurosis. Likewise, people getting fearful over weapons act passively-aggressive with their timidity. Taking something which is natural and doesn’t involve them, and making it their own personal problem to complain about.
Unfortunately, countries are still defined in terms not of who can be the most civilized, but rather as monopolies on the use of violent force. This means that such countries are patrolled by openly armed people who are paid to enforce the edicts of The State, which are valued more than the life of their citizens. There are people who cannot conscience this, and certainly do not trust such people with their protection.
I only missed because someone stole my gun.
There is no presumption that concealment is a normal, natural way to go buddeh. The presumption is that unarmed is a normal, natural way to go & concealment conforms to that norm, that which is a healthy norm. This is what
tried to tell you. You weren’t taken out of context, you were taken out of woo. Even when gun nuts discuss this, it is the basis of that discussion, whether they know it or not.
There is no “norm” to walking around openly displaying deadly force. This is why uniforms, this is also basis of open carry as deterrent.
Not even the Kirpan, despite being mandated by the bearers religion, is intended to be normal, it is a symbol of exception.
There is nothing normal about it. No, cowboys did not normally walk around with holsters on their hips. They mostly concealed if they carried, which many did, beneath the shirt.
Is it wrong to conceal your private parts if that is the societal norm? That one is easy & there are tons more just as easy. Concealment is not universally regarded as wrong in a civil society, that is a complete misnomer.
The first step would be to think for a moment, sans woo.
This paragraph contains more woo. Yes, it is correct and rational to notice a person who is armed when in our society that is not normal. People with no direct relationship with the person doing something that is not normal, related to deadly force, are being as rational to conclude that they do not know the intentions of the outlier as they would be to conclude that of any other they have no direct relationship with that they witness doing something exceptional. The addition of deadly force considerations makes calling police to check the situation a civil & valid response.
& lets face it, lots of these people walk around trying to get people to equate a sidearm or assault rifle to a shoe, or a belt. That is not rational.
Yes, hiding the weapon makes the bearer & the people around them safer.
Jesus, so now our society only accommodates victims? When did this happen? Oh, it didn’t.
Smoking weed? Having sex? Is that weed going to emit stray rounds or be misfired by an imbecile, or even a competent handler of weed? Seems Unlikely. You can make your own euphemisms for your equating open carry to open sex.
You find that people who do not want openly armed individuals parading their deadly force are the ones being passive aggressive? REally? LoL.
Christ, you’ve got a long, weird screed. Looks like you go on to equate open carry proponents to police in some ways, which is just nuts in a dozen ways, but it looks like you try and bend it toward “armed society is a safe society, because police are armed” which is more nutty woo.
In the last paragraph you seem to become a Vulcan, or an island, it’s hard to tell, but whatever, woo-caster.
Thankfully, civil society doesn’t even need a permit to carry the tool that gives most people this confidence. A phone. At least, it worked for me in that exact situation. I even went to testify, but thankfully the Crown cut a plea deal in the hall so I didn’t have to stay all day.
Guy was an organized criminal of the Russian persuasion, may have been armed & to his credit did not seem to begrudge me my actions the day of his offence or the day in court.
Like the one about wearing a gun in public being quite a lot like walking around with one’s dick out?
Can’t say as that your peculiar use of “woo” to counter my observations and opinions was terribly edifying. It seems rather dismissive.
Weapons are not deadly force. But they do have the potential for this.
Yes, societal norms are often wrong. Because they often represent populist coercion. Nothing ever becomes true by virtue of being believed by a number of people, as this requires shared values instead of evidence. I would rather strive for what seems to be the optimum rather than the norm. If you want safety in numbers, be a mathematician.
You misunderstood that I did not say “our society only accommodates victims”, what I said is that I do not believe in victimless crime. Such as when people claim to be victims when in fact nobody has done anything to them.
Here’s another solution I never hear anybody throw out there. Instead of limiting access and use of firearms, why not cease to manufacture them? Does anybody have a license for murder? I don’t mind there not being guns. But for so long as there are armed people who I do not trust, who claim to be “defending” me and my family, I will be on the offensive.
yeah… notsomuch. I think @anon29631895 pretty well covered you on the logical fallacy front.
But thanks for painting me with the rape culture brush in interests of trolling about gun rights. You should have tossed racism in there, and gone for the trolling hat trick.
Not relevant. Robbery is the robber’s fault, not the victim’s, regardless of what was taken.
Oh, sure, I’ll grant you it’s some impressive irony. No argument there. It’s only the victim-blaming I have a problem with.
Not reliably. .22 LR rounds have been known to bounce off skulls at point-blank range. I’m sure as hell not saying it’s harmless, but killing humans is not the purpose it’s designed for, and it’s not terribly good at it. It’s intended for cheap, low-recoil target shooting, and hunting rabbits and such.
Hanging straw man was a reference to an inappropriate use of moving goalposts…
The two fellers are the examples that I gave above - both killed for open carry while dark.
Just to point out, if that incident is the one I read about, the black guy had some asshole call the cops saying he had a gun and was pointing at people and kids. Had this jackoff not called the cops, or the cops exercised a minute of caution to figure out WTF was going on, that never would have happened. I guess no one thought it odd that some dude was waving a gun around walmart and they only got ONE 911 call about it?
Jackoff is a very polite term for someone who committed murder by cop.
Ya, the hero marine1 saved the day!
30-ish mother with heart-condition also died when the cops started shooting
1Marines kicked him out after a couple of weeks. Would be interesting to see how many times that he has applied for a job with the local PD there as well.
On the other hand, there were dozens of calls about this guy wearing a bullet-proof vest and rifle – he is still alive.
Gun rights advocate demonstrates outside Metro school - WSMV Channel 4
Witnesses say Embody was pacing Hillsboro Road, dressed much like a soldier, and it had a lot of people nervous. So nervous that 911 dispatchers had their hands full.
In a pinch, the Cadillac of Minivans is spacious enough to be your house. It’s got your back, man.
