Maybe there is some kind of wormhole in Florida that goes to other places? that might explain Florida like things happening elsewhere…?
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This does seem to be more about going “ha ha, somebody I disagree with got robbed ironically” rather than actually making a point about gun control.
Edit: …I just realized that someone is probably about to say “well, if he didn’t own a gun, he wouldn’t have been robbed!” With a straight face, even.
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With things converging to metal-matrix-composite 3d-printing, the matter of buying one will be a moot anyway.
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It’s not really that ironic. A lot of concealed-carry advocates go to great lengths to, well, conceal the fact that they’re carrying, and not just so they can whip it out at need.
For example, my brother (and a lot of other folks, I gather) was annoyed about the fact that Missouri required its concealed carry to be an endorsement on the driver’s license, just because some sharp-eyed person might notice it when you took your wallet out to pay for something, realize you’re carrying a gun, and come up and rob you. (It’s a separate card now.) Folks who could would get a separate state ID card with that endorsement and leave it off their regular driver’s license.
Guns are several hundred dollars’ worth of value concentrated in a form that will fit in a pocket. Like a Rolex, only one that can kill people. The real problem with open carry isn’t that it’s scary, it’s that it’s like wearing those trademark white earphones that used to lead to people getting relieved of their iPods. It’s a big fat “Hey, look here! Money! Come relieve me of it!” sign.
Guns are only effective if you can have them out before the other guy does. Otherwise, it’s like carrying a fat wallet around on your hip.
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So… you only fall on your training, gotcha.
On the other hand, had this man been a quick draw, I don’t really see how escalating the situation would have helped, especially in a public place. I can see how one might want a concealed carry permit for personal safety after an attack, or in the case of giving you a peace of mind within your home in a not so great neighborhood, or having a gun for hunting or target practice, but what exactly is the reasoning behind open carry?
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Any idea how common this sort of thing is though? Like does this happen somewhat regularly or is it an odd occurence. I get the part where these weapons are valuable and lots of people might like to take them, but does it happen often?
Your missing the point here. A gun is not an anti theft device, its an anti tyranny device. The victim here is still a free american, not being crushed under the heel of the Queen, because 2nd Amendment. Which obviously worked in this case. QED
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Some places permit open carry that make it difficult or impossible to get a license for concealed carry. That’s the only logic I can find in it. If I owned a gun, I don’t think I’d openly carry it even if I legally could. Like I said, it’s a “rob me!” sign.
(I do have a Missouri concealed carry license. Got it because I had the opportunity—got a great Groupon deal on the required CCW class, and the rest of my family all have them so I figured I should too. But I don’t have a gun, and don’t know if I ever will. Those suckers are expensive, ammo prices are insane, and I’ve still got debts to pay off. Besides, I’d probably just shoot myself in the foot anyway.)
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I’m very disappointed that the politeness factor is being overlooked. I thought being armed was supposed to make them especially polite, and it seems downright RUDE for one to rob the other.
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Good rule of thumb around here - whenever there’s an article about guns, video games or gender inequality, be very suspicious of the influx of new accounts who just happen to have always been here, honest, no really.
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It sounds like the starting point for some kind of profound Nietzschean (or maybe Randian?) fable.
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Oh, now, I’m not laughing at the victim. I’m laughing at a mixture of the irony and moxie. Also Old’s comment about two guns which is funny because it’s true. Of course, then the kid would have had two to his one…it’s a logistical nightmare!
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On the other hand, it is just about a year when I was a long-term reader first-time poster… so not all new accounts are necessarily bad. Give him a month.
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I’m from Oregon, and it doesn’t even remotely surprise me that this happened in Gresham. You could almost say it’s exactly the kind of thing you’d expect to happen in Gresham. Outside of Eugene, Ashland, Portland, and the ritzy suburbs over on the west side, pretty much all of Oregon is like that. I have vivid memories of being about twelve when the cops treed my next door neighbor (who my parents later explained to me had been running a meth lab, and got sold out by one of his customers) with dogs behind my house.
That said, I don’t see why we need to put up with some jackass’s wild west cosplay. Anyone without a felony conviction can trivially get a concealed carry permit in Oregon, so there’s really no reason to carry one in the open unless you’re looking for trouble.
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And so, we get to see the joke soar majestically overhead, like a dead albatross.
Anyway, the statement is foolish. I can teach you to make a reliable, working firearm of equal quality to a mass-produced firearm - if not slightly better - in a weekend, on tools that already exist. The tools are trivially available, for about the same money as a firearm - and if you’re making your own, you can make the cost back in money you save on buying firearms.
Just recently, in fact, there was a small 3-axis milling machine that went on sale, that was touted of being capable of producing firearm lowers. Now, that’s nothing new - 3-Axis mills are as common as arseholes and opinions in manufacturing - but the cost was, right on a thousand bucks.
And yet, the manufacturing industry still exists. Not to mention - do you think that the firearms manufacturers are staunch traditionalists stubbornly resisting technological change? When the capability is there, they’ll have it before you, better than you can do it without major money and time investment, and they’ll still be happy to sell you the result.
The idea that 3d printing will kill firearms manufacturing and retail is basically just a Cory Doctorow fever dream for any point in the foreseeable future. There may be, in a much shorter time-frame, enthusiasts who do make their own that way, with Metal-matrix composite printers, but they definitely will not be the majority until we’re in our doddering years. Far more likely? We’ll see a lot of people who bought their firearms retail, and those firearms were produced by major manufacturers using those techniques.
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Sort of like how print pornography still exists.
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It’s also quite possible he’s one of the eastern Oregonians who moved to the Willamette Valley and the big city because there are no jobs out there and he brought his Oregon rodeo sensibilities with him.
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1.) The actual blurb boingboing put for this is pretty neutral (no “ha ha guns are stupid” to be found.)
2.) There IS a certain irony to the situation, which even a hardcore NRA member can’t deny.
3.) You should be thankful boingboing is exposing a fatal flaw in open carry: whilst you are showing your support for the 2nd Amendment you are also broadcasting that you have an expensive (and desirable, especially to convicted criminals who can’t buy one legally) object on your person, just waiting to be stolen.
I’ve had people tell me the solution is “everyone should be carrying guns all the time so that no crime ever happens.” I don’t see that working quite the way they envision; think of every road rage incident, every heated argument, every depressed drunken bender, then add a gun to those situations. It’s practically a guarantee that things will go south very quickly.
BTW, I am not anti-gun, in fact I have owned guns in the past.
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Precisely. People have had the capability to make their own porn for a long, long time, and it’s easier than ever - but still, print porno mags are doing a roaring trade, and are sold practically universally. You can find them practically everywhere in every variety you can imagine.
This is the foolishness of many tech enthusiasts - we think that the new will eliminate the old, rather than supplement it. It’s like the kindle - people kept carrying on when they came out how it was the end of printed books. Turns out, not so much - it created a new market segment, and a whole new group of readers, but it most certainly did not kill the physical book.
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Presumably it was also off-topic for @logruszed to initiate things by asking if @k24k’s head hurt, and for @kbert to observe that @k24k’s account is new, and for you to talk about your headgear preferences.
Also off topic, but I’ll bite.
I don’t know why it’s so suspicious. Every commenter registered for a first time, and they probably did so because there was some specific topic they felt strongly enough about to go through the trouble of registering. Maybe there are some people who register so they can squee at a cat video, but I suspect they are outliers.
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