Well, it’s either Hitler or the Antichrist every time.
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He meant “Label”, which is an interesting word because it is used both as a noun and a verb according to context.
But he wasn’t wrong. The treatment of Japanese Americans and Communists was disgraceful, though not as disgusting as the treatment over the years of black Americans. And listening to the citizens of a nation founded by undocumented immigrants who arrived without the permission of the inhabitants, complaining about “illegal immigrants”, is pretty annoying.
Politics is a dirty game in which people do bad things in the interests of power. I’m going to stick my neck out and suggest that Piers Morgan is right - Trump is not stupid and he knows how to get the Republican base to vote for him, but the thread that runs through his pronouncements is that the US as a country is very poor at negotiation. Since 1990 there has been much truth in that; US politicians seek to get what they want by force, not negotiation. As a negotiator, Trump knows that it is a two way street and both sides must get something out of the deal. He is also extremely good at getting the “right kind” of publicity for his message.
The difference between Trump and Hitler is simply this: the other Republican candidates are much more like Hitler than is Trump. They have a power base in the military-industrial complex to which they are beholden. Without Krupp and Thyssen, Hitler might well never have come to power. If Hitler had desired power in order to put his name on more holiday hotels and golf clubs, and have a regular television slot, things might also have been very different. Rubio and Cruz frighten me; Trump doesn’t.
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But he was technically wrong on a grammatical point, which is what matters. Don’t take any notice, @renke. Correcting people’s grammar is one of life’s simple pleasures.
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I was in fact commenting on the tendency for people to use Latin when their meaning is clearer or more correct in English, in this case using the word “adjective” incorrectly when the English word is “label”. @renke’s correction missed the point - if the word “Nazi” had been described as a noun it would then be grammatically correct, but the sentence would then be logically incorrect since the OP actually meant something different. It is the difference between proofreading and copy editing. The grammarian concentrates on the form but, as Eliot puts it, they have had the experience but missed the meaning.
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ha, a cheap throw-away joke ended in grammar wars. I love BBS : P
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Mein lapdog
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The comparison to Hitler is stupid because you can’t make comparisons to Hitler on the internet without undermining any point you were trying to make. No comparison to Hitler is germane even if direct reference to him and the events that surrounded his political career are specifically relevant, one cannot refer to or learn from historical events involving Hitler. Also, it’s not as if Trump is race baiting, riling crypto-fascists up with language designed to foment the creeping undercurrent of bigotry in a majority class of people known for racist behaviour. Also, there’s no way that any kind of an official government organisation could possibly use violence or brutality against the people they are supposed to serve as a way of repressing a segment of society, that could never happen in this day and age with cameras everywhere. Also, there’s no such thing as Agents Provocateur and they’ve never been caught on camera or confronted by public officials on camera, especially in this day and age what with there being so many cameras everywhere. That could never happen.
Calm down you stupid internet gadflys! I think we’re past using all that old fashioned, inflammatory nonsense like racism and fascism to promote a political agenda and for sure comparison to historical instances when that might have happened is making a mockery of and undermining any intelligent discussion of modern, non-racist, non-facist, non-dangerous political campaigns and campaigners.
Sillies!
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Hey America - your Trump is showing!
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You’re right. He’s not literally in the NDSAP, so how can we call him a Nazi? He doesn’t even live in Germany!
It’s not like he deflected the idea that he doesn’t want the support of the KKK and White supremacists.
Or that he advocated the wholesale slaughter of noncombatants in war.
Or that he’s a demagogue that his party’s leaders think they can control.
You’re right. No similarities whatsoever. This is totally like accusing a black man of being a white supremacist.
If I stop being sarcastic here for a minute, the number one reason we don’t learn from history is that we seem to believe that all events are exceptional to their time and place, The only problem with the Nazi label is that it’s used so often as trump card in arguments (no pun intended). The reality of the Nazis rise to power is more complex and it will always serve as its own chapter in history, but the idea that it’s somehow beyond the pale to apply the label before someone comes to power and kills millions of people is to rob ourselves of the ability to learn from history. It’s not my fault, nor is it unreasonable, that the Nazis are the historical lesson I draw from when I see someone like Trump. Someone who argues that murdering the families of people we don’t like is acceptable policy with a military that has shown over and over again that it doesn’t know how to say no to orders that violate principles of US and international law. The POTUS is capable of launching a nuclear strike on a whim with essentially no legal or authoritative checks on that power, and this man is very, very whimsical.
Weirdly, I think it might take a Trump to move this country in the direction it needs to go, but only with and because of the massive damage he will do. That being said, I’m not going to curl up in a corner about “fairness” when he’s compared to Nazis. Why? On what planet does someone have to be a literal NDSAP member before they fail to evade comparisons?
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To be fair, they turned out to be pretty accurate though.
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I agree with Petzl. Comparing this to the crimes of Hitler’s SA is absurd.
Hitler was enraged and mad. Trump is just a huge pile of stupid.
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Hitler was not cunning and competent. He was widely derided by the general populace. I fail to see how you point out a difference. Yes, I know that Drumpf is not literally Hitler, and again I say that it doesn’t matter when drawing comparisons. It works by the same principle we use to compare individual unaffiliated violent racists with the KKK, even when they’re not literally burning a cross somewhere.
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I generally agree with your post, but Hitler purged the brownshirts. Roehm wasn’t only gay but he actually believed some of that Socialism stuff. Himmler’s mob wore black.
Unfortunately for German tank crews who also had black uniforms and so tended to be killed on sight by the Russians.
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Sure, and this has helped the Trump campaign, how? It hasn’t hurt him in the primaries because his true believers don’t care, but in a general election it will turn off independents and undecideds. A Kristallnacht-style night of terror isn’t going to help him get elected, nor help enact policy if he does get elected.
I’m just saying: the constant comparisons to Hitler are inaccurate and tiring, no different than the last eight years of Glenn Beck comparing Obama to Stalin. It ends up sounding like both parties are comparing opposing candidates to Satan.
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And without millions of followers he’d have been another failed artist.
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You’re taking the analogy altogether too far.
Though, what would a week of rounding up the Muslims and Mexicans, as proposed, be called?
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White People’s Choice Awards?
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Are you sure ‘cunning and competent’ are synonyms to ‘enraged and mad’?
“Hey we’re all about unity of the people… Except when we have the compulsion to make cool looking animations that only really crytallizes the rift between left and right, because we’re all about unity and working together… Except when we’re not.”
Applies to both sides… unnecessary animation imho. Folks who hate the right will hate the right, folks who hate the left will hate the left. Thats what our country has become. Elections are nothing more than carrying the banner of that side’s extremist candidate.
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