Michael Moore quietly made a Donald Trump movie. "TrumpLand" opens this week

Hey, you heard Melania. He’s more like a really immature teenager.

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This election is about turnout, not conversion.

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No trailer yet?! SHAME!

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Much more terrifying:

(In the case that you didn’t catch “Braindead,” a political thriller, there’s a plot point where a liberal confesses to a conservative that she indeed “slept with Michael Moore, once, at Sundance.” And they keep jump-cutting to Moore hovering over her recumbent body, and the conservative’s shuddering reaction shot. Moore played along with his cameo role.)

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Does anyone know what kind of desk that is? Seems overkill for a documentary / talking heads shoot. How many mics could they possibly have in action?

You seem to be suffering from the delusion that Michael Moore is, or should be, a documentary filmmaker. Moore doesn’t make documentaries, he makes agitprop films from a labour unionist/leftist/progressivist perspective, and damn good ones.

American journalists and film critics, being ignorant of classical progressive/socialist agitprop, have labeled him as a documentarian. This plays into the hands of right wing activists, who write long screeds detailing about how his films are full of “inaccuracies,” thus fooling people on the internet who care about truth and accuracy into seeing him as a liar.

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But he is a liar, labeling it agitprop instead of documentary doesn’t change the fact that it’s dishonest. I couldn’t care less what it’s labelled as, I’m not a fan of dishonest propaganda, no matter what it’s political leanings are and whether they align with my own or not.

So you get upset when writers and artists tell stories that are essentially nothing but clever collections of lies? Agitprop is a form of literature, not a form of nonfiction. Calling Moore a liar for making films that are not factual is like calling Cory Doctorow a liar for writing novels.

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Chris Marker said it best ‘Cinema Verite ? Non… Cine Ma Verite, Ma Verite’ and there’s nowt wrong with that.

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Ah, Michael Moore…

     >> Putting on the ritz <<
     Moore luxury for filmmaker

 You may have seen Michael Moore
 popping up on TV recently to ally
 himself with Occupy Wall St's campaign.
 We'd be surprised to see him bed down
 and join the protest fully, though.
 Someone from C4 reminded us of their
 experience with Moore when they brought
 him to London for some promotional work.
 He and his wife were flown first class
 and asked to be put up at the Ritz.
 Bosses agreed - he is, after all, a
 very successful filmmaker and entitled
 to a little luxury now and again - but
 this wasn't really in keeping with a
 "Man Of The People" persona. So, early
 each morning, he was driven to a
 markedly more down-market three-star
 hotel nearby, which is where he would
 do his press.

[SOURCE: Popbitch Newsletter, 03/11/2011. URL: http://popbitch.com/home/2011/11/03/the-colour-of-diamond/]

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It is not strictly an Euler diagram either since on an Euler diagram distance has no significance, only the topological relationships, and the author implies that the distance has significance.

I think it’s a powerpointogram, a diagram used in PowerPoint by someone who wishes to communicate ideas visually but hasn’t read Tufte.

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It’s the right/left dichotomy - the Right gets up there and spouts a complete fabric of lies; their supporters swallow it and the Left shrugs its shoulders wearily. The Left gets up an exaggerates for effect and both Right and Left scream “Liar!”

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Yeah, nobody in the international aid and infrastructure world gets paid for an incomplete project! Certainly not in war torn and corrupt nations.

That one flaw you exposed nullifies all truths in the film. Be outraged by what you choose to focus on. It’s your privilege.

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This is complete bullshit. The public views him as a documentary maker, this is how he presents himself to the world, they expect him to at least attempt to uncover the truth. Labelling Moore’s work as no different from fiction, and thus excusing it’s dishonesty, makes about as much sense as labelling war as performance art to excuse it’s immorality.

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It wasn’t just one flaw though, it was the central theme of the film, that the wars were basically the Bush family (via the Carlyle group, Halliburton, and Saudi royal family) making war purely to make money.

I liked “Roger and Me”. Everything after that needed to be taken with more and more grains of salt to the point where you accepted the fact that you were about to watch a film that may be entertaining but not factually accurate.

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A truth.

There is no ‘the’ truth.

I think I see a problem with your expectations which can only lead to disappointment. Please consider what I have said.

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There is no ‘the’ truth.

Well I disagree with that as well, but that’s beyond the scope of this thread.

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Yea, I have really mixed feelings about Michael Moore.

Bowling for Columbine, for example, started out pretty interesting. He started making the case that the violence in America stems from from deeply structural issues (as opposed to, say, “just blaming guns”), which I think is a valid point, and one that I wished he would have actually explored. But instead he just jumped the shark about half way through the film, gave up on that perspective, and just started to do things like trying to return bullets to retailers. Pretty soon he was just blaming guns.

I guess deep, systemic issues just don’t have the sight-gags…

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Teenagers don’t cry and sulk enough.

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