@anon61221983 questioned another poster’s narrative of this thread; a narrative that we are placing Barak and Michelle Obama on a pedestal. You felt a need to disagree with her and I’m disagreeing with you. That’s kind of how it works. That’s the point.
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I get that, and agree.
It sounded like you were calling me out for cherry-picking evidence but the comments I included were the only ones relevant.
Edit: I think I’m going to take my leave.
Apologies for hijacking the thread and upsetting fellow commentors.
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What’s with the extreme black and white thinking there though? People can admire some one for certain aspects and say something positive about them without being mindless worshipful zombies who elide all facts that are inconvenient to their infatuations. They can make a positive comment on a message board without it being the whole of their thoughts and the utter limit of their imagination. Most of the non-bot posts are made by people who may say she is their hero and two days later think about something else they may dislike.
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I don’t know how many times people have to say this, but apparently at least once more:
When the house is on fire, there’s no point in debating new curtains. Nobody is saying the left all love Biden or that he’s everyone’s first choice. Nobody has ever ever said that. Put the fire out, then we can talk about remodeling.
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Not for ones that want to go into politics rather than music.
I don’t consider the DNC inviting Republicans to speak as “receipts” on how Biden will govern. Every policy proposal and every member he’s added to his campaign team speaks that he is looking to be an FDR style leader. Sweeping changes, moving towards a more progressive world (if not as progressive as some of us would like). Having GOP people speak is more of a “hey look, even your own party hates you, Donnie” message, trying to appeal to fence sitters who lean Republican.
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Jesus, dude, none of that is saying she’s a god… You can admire people while not making them a god… FFS.
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He’s always been willing to work with some objectively horrible Republicans (e.g. Strom Thurmond), so I didn’t need any more receipts on that count. And moneyCons have known since 1992 that the Dem establishment can be counted on to deliver a passable main course of neoliberalism without all the unwanted Xtianist and overtly racist side dishes the other place insists on including.
What I’ve seen in these convention appearances by “moderate” conservatives is (in addition to needling Biff) signalling to the financial services industry and the military-industrial complex and to affluent people over age 55 that it will be back to business-as-usual soon enough, despite the lip service paid to watered-down progressivism. I expect a repeat of the Obama administration, long on Hope and short on actual Change. Far better than the alternative, of course, but nothing to cheer about.
Yes. One can separate out style from substance. Despite my criticism of the Obama administration’s policies, for example, I can admire his erudition, his cool lack of drama, his dignified leadership, his wicked sense of humour, etc. (and not just in comparison to the current buffoon). Michelle Obama shares a lot of those traits and her accomplishments as First Spouse are far more substantive than the current occupant of that position.
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^This. The Democratic Party would rather have 4 more years of Trump than fully embrace the growing Progressive wing of the party, which would be the smarter move, IMO. I don’t see Biden losing, but it sure feels like the DNC are making the same mistakes they made in 2016 pivoting right. Screw the right leaning fence-sitters; they’re not the ones that are going to change the outcome of this election.
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I’ll say it here in public. My President failed us in this crisis. Spectacularly.
My 20 year old god-daughter knows to trust a doctor over a pillow inventor/salesman when it comes to medicine.
My President is out of his depth on this.
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I didn’t mean to the truest sense of the word “feel shame for being rich”. Do whatever you want, but stop saying how you “feel” for the masses, how you’re “with them”. You can still be stylish and lead, without flaunting your wealth.
And you can occasionally wear something extravagant that you purchased with money you earned through a lifetime of hard work without completely losing touch with the masses.
It’s not like she’s one of those megachurch preachers who solicits private donations from poor parishioners to refurbish their private luxury jet.
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I don’t see any evidence of that
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Because they chose a more electable candidate? Just how progressive does America seem to be, lately? What used to be isolated incidents of conservative craziness are now a constant stream.
I think it is somewhat responsible of them to pick someone with a chance of winning.
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Oh, I’m fine with them picking Biden, I just think he should pivot left, not right towards the imaginary fence-sitters.
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When you look at the fact that like somewhere between 9% and 13% (depending on the study) of Trump’s voters in 2016 had voted previously for Obama, it’s hard to call them imaginary. Unless you think the racist conservatives voted for Obama, or you think progressives voted for Trump…
Those kinds of numbers can easily turn an election.
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Because that worked so well for Hillary? Better to energize the left wing of the party. Those are the people that are more likely to stay home. Instead the establishment Dems cater to Wall Street because that’s who pays their bills. I’m calling them imaginary in that if they’re still on the fence at this point, no amount of reasoning will work. So not really on an metaphorical fence after all. Just pivot left, which is what the country actually WANTS, and write them off.
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I’m willing to wait for this until he has the job. While he’s trying to get the job, I don’t mind seeing him cast as wide a net as possible. In my area, those fence-sitters aren’t imaginary, and they could be the difference between success and failure.
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