Michelle Obama on Trump: 'Clearly in over his head'

For sure that will be the time to hold their feet to the fire. Let’s just hope we get there with all the cheating from the Rs.

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I’d find it a lot more patronizing if some one as rich as her pretended not to be for the sake of fashion. Even if she dresses up in her cheapest normcore she’ll still be rich.

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I’m not sure how you got that from anything @gracchus wrote there…

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Exactly. The policing of women’s wardrobes rubs me the wrong way*, and acting like none of her actions or accomplishments count if she treats herself to things she likes that might also be expensive seems a bit “gotcha.”
*To be clear, I’m also not into policing of men’s wardrobes, but I just don’t see it happen. Maybe I’m reading the wrong media.

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Yeah I can’t recall the last time a male self-made-millionaire was raked over the coals for wearing a Rolex or something. It’s almost always women who have their wardrobe ruthlessly dissected every time they appear in public.

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Imagine it:
“Jimmy Carter committed his post-presidency life to ridding the world of this tenacious, debilitating disease!”
“But did you see how much his shoes cost?!?”

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I was responding to this 'graph in particular. There’s a clear disdain for the progressive wing of the party from establishment Dems that I think @gracchus nailed. Lip service is exactly right. Maybe it’s hyperbolic to say the DNC would rather have Trump for another 4 years, but it sure feels like establishment Dems like Biden and Pelosi put their financial interests ahead of their constituent’s wants or needs time and time again.

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Word; nobody ever clocked Chuck Woolery for those gaudy-ass things he rocked while hosting Love Connection.

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I would be more worried about certain elements of the progressive wing of the party sitting this one out (since some have said it outright) than the DNC tanking in order to “pwn the (slightly more) libs” when this is a race that is theirs to win.

I would personally like to see an eventual true split between the centrists and progressive wings of the party, as I see that as the only way to truly drive a progressive agenda. However, a prerequisite for that is the breakup of the GOP, in practice. Which is one possible outcome of this upcoming election. :crossed_fingers:

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It’s not so much that I see them tanking. More that they genuinely think that pivoting right after the primaries is the best strategy. IMO, they are deluded in that sense. I do think there’s a huge, popular center that they could be tapping into, we just disagree about where that center lies. But I 100% agree about a split being required at one point. That is starting to look more likely from the right in the US; the party appears to be self cannibalizing at a brisk pace.

I think its going to depend heavily on whether or not the senate gets flipped. If both houses are blue, I’m sure Biden and Co. can be far more aggressive in moving left, assuming they want to.

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100%. Otherwise the Rs will block everything just out of spite.

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Yeah. It doesn’t much matter what your agenda is if it never sees the light of day.

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That’s where I fear Biden will be weak in trying to gap across the aisle. He genuinely thinks that’s the way forward. I think we’re approaching the point where “they go low, we go high” is no longer effective.

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Yeah, we need more of a “they go low, we kick them in the teeth” approach.

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Yeah, almost

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Gee! I wonder why that is? :roll_eyes:

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