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'Iâm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! â When the Republicans recruited the paranoid John Birchers, the science-denying fundamentalists and the southern bigots in order to win in the late 70s they planted the seeds of the monstrosity their party has become. This analysis is not new. To paraphrase the political blogger, Driftglass, âthe left has been taking shit for being right since before you were born.â Driftgalssâ blog
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I know where youâre coming from. Frum was the right wing rat who was smart enough to desert the sinking ship ahead of the rest. Thatâs why Iâll be forwarding Coryâs article and not Frumâs original piece.
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@doctorow @William_Holz @albill
Using âdemocratâ when âDemocraticâ is meant makes one sound Republican or ignorant or both.
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The law should be amended so people can go to jail for the lies and deception Frum and his warmongering neocon allies advocated and carried out in Iraq.
People, both military and civilian died for no reason.
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Great idea Hillary_Rettig
I agree
If you are talking about definitions being used incorrectly that is one thingâbut correcting grammar in a debate forum (especially when despite the wrong grammar, you clearly understand what the poster us conveying, is misguided and not smart.
All of us make grammar mistakes, if a person is not careful, someone can flip the script and review his/her posts and surely find multiple grammar mistakes.
You can read award winning novels and find a grammar error.
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- Using âdemocraticâ in the sentence could easily have confused people by implying that it meant âthose who vote democraticallyâ, not âthose who vote for the democratic partyââŚso it was a completely appropriate time to use the word. Not all of us let the asshats take over the language.
- Our friend âhoopyhoopâ decided to throw in âŚ[quote=âhoopyhoop, post:19, topic:71226â]
Please donât be as stupid as the Republicans who insist upon using a noun where an adjective is called for.
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Which is a pretty sanctimonious way to make the observation.
And itâs a completely unreasonable thing to say and thereâs no good reason to say it. I mean, put âdemocraticâ that sentence and see what happens.
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âŚusing its dominance in state legislatures to suppress Democrat votersâŚ
I donât agree that âDemocraticâ not better here. What @doctorow means is âvoters who might support Democratic candidates.â Thatâs what he should have written.
I do agree that @hoopyhoop was a bit more acerbic than necessary, but since the usage s/he points out is intended to annoy, Iâd let it go. Maybe everyone involved was unaware of this, but they are aware now.
From the link I posted:
New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote, "Thereâs no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. âDemocrat Partyâ is a slur, or intended to beâa handy way to express contempt.
Calling someone a democrat seems to me to be about as effective a slur as calling someone a liberal.
Those are good things.
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Yeah, but I think the majority of folks here have heard of Rush LimbaughâŚnot all of us are big on letting him take over the language.
Thatâs no reason to be all jerkworthy in a post where it obviously wasnât meant as a slur or a slam. Intent matters and it was a poorly implemented attempt to âeducateâ.
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In the Age of Instant Outrage, everything can be constructed to be interpreted as a slur.
The only way to not âinsultâ anybody is to keep mouth shut. (And then you get accused of not speaking up in favor of $whatever, with different pressure groups having different and often mutually exclusive $whatevers.)
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UMMMM although both current political parties trace their roots back to early factions within the first federal government. The 2 party system, and political parties in general arenât mentioned in the constitution or many of the really early stuff that established how things work here. They werenât deliberately baked into our government structure. In fact a number of the Founding Fathers (including Washinton IIRC) strongly advocated against political parties, and viewed them as anti-democratic. Where the parties and the 2 party system are embedded in government structure its in things like election laws, Congressional procedural rules, and the parties own rules for picking candidates and determining platforms etc. And it all was created quite a bit later. So I donât think this is a place where the Founding Fathers âgot it wrongâ.
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Getting back to the topic, I did not appreciate, before reading Frumâs piece, just why immigration is such a big deal to the Tea Party right. Itâs not a big deal (IMO) in terms of objective numbers, but they find it offensive because it and related issues represent the unworthy getting something they supposedly donât deserve. A crabs-in-a-bucket, zero sum game kind of outlook. The Wall Street right cheerfully encourages this kind of thinking, because the only way to fix it would be to reverse the flow of redistribution.
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Which was exactly my point. They didnât predict the issue the âone person one voteâ system would inevitably create.
They did a good job with what they had, but I was saying it in the âwe shouldnât be worshiping a failed systemâ sense. We have new data now.
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David Frum is a douchebag, but heâs a smart douchebag. Anyone who is looking to get an intellectualized understanding of GOP sentiments, should read his work. He is an expert at creating a well argued and iron-clad opinion piece by cherry-picking the data he wants to use. (See any of his articles on why we should prevent Syrian immigrants from migrating to North America.)
I just find it fascinating to me to read someone who so intelligently explains reality in a completely different way than I see it. And, yes, this also makes him dangerous when people read his articles without a skeptical mind.
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Are you a Republican or a Democrat? Arenât Republicans also democratic voters in a democracy? If one can be either a Republican or a Democrat, then one is either a Republican voter or Democrat voter. I think the usage was fine IMHO.
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