Is that a Red Green reference?
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Not very smart nerds, apparently. And not ones that care about having a (post-secondary) educated populace or the effects of crippling student loans.
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If you don’t live in a swing state, your vote would go a lot further by taking a stand with a third party. Voting for either of them is a vote against the two-party system, and unless you live in one of ~10 swing states, your vote will go nowhere voting for a major party, either.
That said, I voted for Stein in 2012, but have since learned more about her and am no longer at all happy with either of the third party candidates, either. I’ll hold my nose and vote for her or Johnson, though.
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Hillary, like every president, would undoubtedly continue the wars and keep bombing people. Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner, has proved pretty adept at blowing up civilians for eight years.
I just wish Americans would bomb themselves rather than the rest of the world. Maybe then your irrational, frankly insane behavior and absolutely heartless ideology would seem “real” enough to you that you would finally, finally do something about it and stop voting war criminals and mass murderers into office on the absurd and fictional grounds of “the lesser of two evils.” Maybe then you would actually care about the fact that your government is the principle sponsor of terrorism and various forms of brutal authoritarianism worldwide. But American liberals only care about themselves. Everything else is just a “cause.”
Until then, I hope Trump gets elected and helps tear the country apart. It’s not me, it’s you. You got probs, yo. Don’t take it out on the rest of the world, deal with it yourselves.
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If you want an active antiwar movement, Trump is the only choice.
The antiwar left in this country pretty much lets a Democratic president kill whomever he or she wants.
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How so? Trump, Johnson, and Stein are all terrible candidates, who warrant a great deal less.
HRC is actually a credible candidate. I therefore can enthuse about genuine competence, especially when the other options are honestly this terrible.
Third party candidates can’t or won’t get people in local, state, or even congressional government, but they want to convince us they deserve the office of the President? No thanks.
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I read the title at first as “…unites femdoms behind Hillary Clinton”
(Arguably NSFW)
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Unfortunately, I can’t disagree with what you are saying there. But I think that the biggest US war currently is the domestic one, against its own citizens, where Trump is not expected to be any better. Like Clinton, he would sooner ally himself with a foreign country if a profit can be made than be allied with the average USian voters.
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I don’t like Obama’s drone strikes, but it would be laughable to suggest he has anywhere near as much blood on his hands as his predecessor.
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So that explains why she’s crushing Trump in the polls and the third party candidates have basically no support… wait, I’m wrong. This is a close race and third party support is ten times what it was last election.
If by “credible” you mean she takes advice from Henry Kissinger, then she’s pretty damn credible.
I’m glad her competence is genuine, because literally nothing else about her is.
A third-party member of the Senate gave Clinton a run for her money in the primaries this election. Took it all the way to the convention.
In addition to Sanders, I must also be hallucinating Angus King, David Johnson, Lincoln Chafee, Jesse Ventura, and however many others who held state or national office.
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Astroturf at its finest since the start of the teabag party.
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So, I gather you don’t like her, and are willing to be shrill about it in public. I am so sorry you need to feel like you have to be inspired by a candidate in order to feel enthused, but running for President really is more like a job interview than not.
None of which is particularly relevant when it comes to getting 270 votes. (Last time I checked, Nate Silver puts Johnson’s odds at less than 1/10th of one percent. Stein isn’t even on the board, and might not even be on the ballot in all 50 states. None of which changes the fact that the third party candidates are awful, of course.)
That this race is as close as it is says a lot about the quality of those polled and the media’s handling of matters.
Really? Compared to how many offices which go Red? Or Blue? How significant are, say, the Greens at the local level when considered against Republican or Democratic candidates?
(ETA: Also, Sanders might not be a Democrat now, but during the primaries, he was at least as much a Democrat as I was.)
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Thank you for that. I sure know my place now. Why don’t I just shut up and not express my opinion about this or anything else because it doesn’t agree with yours?
If by “shrill” you mean I’m willing to voice my opinion, then you’re goddamn right I am.
Did I say that? Did I even imply it?
If you’re right, that’s even worse. Why in the hell should I feel inspired by Bernie Sanders, who would be considered a centrist in the rest of the civilized world? If Sanders is inspiring, what does that say about the rest of the political system in the US?
Not any job interview I’ve ever been on. Then again, I’m probably a whiny entitled Millennial who lives with my parents, so I’ve probably never been on a job interview, right?
I have never been on a job interview that had hundreds of millions of spectators who thought they had a say but really didn’t. We’re not voting for the President, we’re voting for people who vote for the President, and then those votes are aggregated by state (except ME and NE) in a winner-take-all fashion. However, if I’m just a spectator, why should anyone tell me what to do or think, and how to do it or think it?
Gary Johnson or Jill Stein are not going to win the election, but they can seriously throw a wrench into this thing. Third party support is around 10% this election, compared to a negligible ~1% in 2012. 10% is easily a big enough proportion to sway an election. Were you this dismissive of Nader voters in 2000? Are you still dismissive of them? Do you think it’s Nader’s fault Gore lost?
There are really only two possibilities regarding third parties in this election:
- Third party votes won’t have any effect, or
- A vote for a third party is a vote for [opponent]
So which one is it? Are third-party voters wasting their votes, or are we handing this election to Donald Trump?
This severely increased third party support is a sign of something, and it’s a sign of something big. Feel free to write it off or whatever, but I know you know it’s serious.
No. You didn’t just go there.
The “quality of those polled”? You mean to say you think you’re better than Joe Lunch Pail because you have a different political opinion?
Low information voters are still voters. Not a whole lot can change that. However, a good politician would make politics accessible to people who aren’t policy wonks, and who think that politicians don’t listen to them. Get people inspired, to use your words.
I agree with you on the media’s handling of matters. Things would have gone differently in the primaries had the media not tried to paint Sanders as a Communist rather than a Social Democrat.
Exactly how far do you want me to chase those goalposts?
He;s about as much of a Democrat as I am. He’s committed to the policies but not the party establishment. He’s an actual progressive, not just Rah Rah Team Blue. I really respect that, and I think more politicians should be like him in that way.
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Can you clarify what you mean here? Do you mean that Trump will be an anti-war president or that him becoming president will light a fire under the anti-war movement again? Cause I can see the latter, but I really disagree with the former. But I do think you mean the second, right?
I do agree with you that many democratic partisans have not been as vocal about wars, considering it was something Obama kind of ran on, but I DO think that the anti-war left that is anti-war have not lightened up. Code Pink is still rather active and has disrupted congressional hearings and held demonstrations during the Obama presidency.[quote=“popobawa4u, post:49, topic:86980”]
But I think that the biggest US war currently is the domestic one, against its own citizens, where Trump is not expected to be any better.
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Indeed. And he’ll bring a stronger “law and order” to the federal administrations that are involved in law enforcement.
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Don’t give the politicians those kind of ideas.
I nerded too hard when I first saw this post. My initial association was the wrong Her.
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