Particularly bad when you’re a child or teen and you hear that from your parents. For me it was: you only need therapy or medication for depression because you are weak willed.
Must be even worse for someone with autism.
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Crosspost from here
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In all of the age-50+ ASD groups I know, the numbers are basically 50/50. Boys get diagnosed early in life, and ‘girls’ (women) start down the path to getting diagnosed…when their sons are diagnosed.
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Jordan Bordan Peterson had some things to say about ADHD.
A specialist in ADHD saw these things, and had some thoughts about them.
You may need to use your asbestos earphones.
TL;DR: Peterson is incorrectly citing misunderstood and inapplicable studies which were known to be wrong in the 1980s. His knowledge of neurodiversity is as good as his knowledge of economics or philosophy or mythopoesis and theology. That is: it looks impressive except to anyone who knows anything about the subject he’s trying to wank on about.
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The trial, “An evaluation of low level laser light therapy for autistic disorder,” involved aiming a laser (made by the company Erchonia) at the back of the head — described in the study plan as the “base of the brain and temporal areas” — for five minutes at a time, over eight sessions spread across four weeks.
What the actual fuck??? I guess it’s better than curing autism with bleach, but only in the sense of harm lessening. The rest of the shit is not much better. How does this crap get out there without someone calling bullshit?
And Robert Melillo, a New York-based chiropractor, was a co-investigator on the 2020 and 2023 papers. He is also co-founder of the Brain Balance Achievement Centers, which sell programs to “strengthen and build brain connectivity” in children with ADHD, autism and other conditions through cognitive exercises, coaching and customized nutrition plans.
Auuuuggghhhh!!!
We had a woman in Richmond years ago doing shit like this. She was famous for “treating” kids until she had drained the parents bank accounts, and when they couldn’t pay anymore, she would tell them she had done all she could and send them on their way. Sounds very much like these asshats.
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I’m particularly struck by how many comments on those videos are people seeing their own behaviour and are now asking questions.
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I’m not a therapist or anything; I’m just this guy trying to figure it out myself.
I think I know the conversation that has you exasperated, and I can also see why everyone else is also exasperated.
I don’t think it is a ND vs NT thing, I suspect it comes down to something that everybody — everybody — has difficulty with. “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken.” It’s not that you are wrong, but that you and they are arguing about different things, at different levels of rigour, with different standards of meaningful proof. It’s not that you’re wrong about your experiences, but that they’re dealing with scientifically demonstrable levels of things at orders of magnitude more sensitivity and vastly higher levels of legal consequence for getting it wrong.
Also, I get that you’re certain about what you’re saying, and it’s everyone’s reflex to push back when someone argues, but these guys are subject matter experts in exactly this thing. They’ve not been saying that the basic principles you’re talking about are wrong, but that there are other considerations of reproducability, of provability, and of scalability that make your points less relevant to the point at hand. At core they’re not saying “you’re wrong,” they’re saying “you’re right as far as it goes, but…”.
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Follow-up (from my phone at my birthday morning tea)…
Granting someone else the point is hard for everyone, but harder for the neurospicy for various reasons.
Partially because we’re gaslit, like, all the time. Pushing back on people telling you’re wrong is self-defence, and reflex. You have to, because otherwise you’ll find yourself at everyone’s mercy. And it turns into a reflex, and you do it when you don’t have to, and when you shouldn’t.
And partially because inertia and rigid thinking: taking information that you’re wrong into account and changing your mind is hard. Hard for everyone, harder for us.
And partially because of communication issues. Not reading the bit where they’re saying something, and thinking they said something else, and reacting to what you think they said, which confused them, and their reply confused you, and it escalates. No-one’s acting maliciously, there’s just an increasing amount of talking across each other. Sometimes the best thing there is for everyone to step back and come back cooler.
The thing is, yes it’s harder for us to communicate sometimes, especially in the heat of the moment. That doesn’t mean we don’t have an obligation to try. Yes it’s hard. Yes it’s exhausting. Yes it sucks. No, it’s not fair. It’s just how it is.
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I appreciate you taking the time to explain some of this.
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Personally, I find this hard to comprehend, but I’m sure there are many others here who will get more out of it:
https://neuroclastic.com/the-ecological-niche-of-a♾tistic-peoples/
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… that glyph is hard to search for (“too short”)
Is there a TL;dr or should I just Google it 
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U+267E Permanent Paper Sign
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This is a really bad headline. What she actually said was
U.S. District Judge Denise Cote wrote in her opinion that at least one of the experts provided by the plaintiffs “cherry-picked and misrepresented study results and refused to acknowledge the role of genetics in the etiology of either ASD or ADHD.”
It’s a good ruling, throws out crappy “evidence,” and supports factual research.
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Wow. Yes, it is. It’s exactly the kind of headline my nutcase anti-vax in-laws will leap on. (Prepares for another round of nonsense at the next family gathering)
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It’s almost exactly backwards.
“Federal judge says research can’t be used to link acetaminophen to autism, ADHD”
How the usual suspects will read it:
“Federal judge rules that there is research that links acetaminophen to autism and ADHD but you’re not allowed to use it because the government is suppressing THE TRUHT!”
What it actually says:
“Federal judge rules that the ‘research’ that was presented to him was hot garbage written in green crayon on the back of a napkin, and everyone involved with it should go away and rethink their lives.”
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Betteridge’s Law of Headlines applies: the short answer is “no”.
The long answer is “no, but they learn to live with it and deal with it, because they don’t have any choice.”
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Agreed. What i see is that maturity allows a longer view, and even if i don’t want to, i need to, so i will. Folks with ADHD have to work harder to do that, but most do learn how to do that, and it stops affecting them as much. Thing is, it still requires more effort, and leads to more fatigue. Enter coffee, the elixer of life. When I’m trying to figure out if a parent might have ADHD, i will usually ask about caffeine intake. Strong correlation there.
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