Vertical video is perfectly acceptable between consenting adults, provided they keep it the dirty shameful secret it should be, and not shove it down our optic nerves by posting it on Youtube.
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Welp, Iāve been following boing boing for a very long time. Never really commented much, but as of late, itās become basically troll level material with jarden envenoming anything she doesnāt agree with, Doctorow less and less reliable by the post, random plastic shovels being sold, and other worthlessness.
Itās a good day to eject that part of my life. Iāll just show myself the door. You folks stick to your little uninformed echo chamber, Iāll find something more interesting to do.
Doctorow, if you decide to find your journalistic integrity again, it would be lovely. You used to be a reliable and entertaining read. Not so much anymore. Sad, really. Gāday.
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Indeed. We currently drone strike folks with the same basic philosophy as Beale.
Ooh ooh ooh this one needs to be added to that google doc. Anything that starts with āwelpā is surely amazing.
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As well as folks who happen to be in the vicinity of said folks with the same basic philosophy as Beale, and folks who have similar last names to them, and folks who are distantly related to them, or wear the same kinds of towels on their heads, but I digress. Drone strikes sound great in theory, but, as with most application of violence that sounds like a totally awesome solution to a problem, itā hard to be as selective as youād (hopefully) like.
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You should really check out Bealeās website if you are looking for a new place to hang out. Lots of stuff about how educated womenās hypergamy is ruining society because there are not enough alpha males around to marry. And thus if women are kept uneducated they would get and stay married, and then, uhh, I guess dudes like Beale could pass their tax cuts and enjoy their bronies while their uneducated wives and daughters bring them nachos and eventually they all go to heaven, including the women who sin less frequently because they are uneducated. Or something like that.
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Agree 100%. Just like to point out to our conservative friends that if they espoused this ideology on another continent and with a slightly different ethnic/cultural backdrop they could be on the explody end of a hellfire missile.
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Well, you know how it is. Kind of like thereās nobody an orthodox communist hates more than a Trotskyite.
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Maybe the troll bots crawl slower on the weekend.
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Vox Day is not part of SP.
Sad Puppies, rabid puppies, whatās the diff?
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Oh yeah, heās the dude with the slightly different logo and list. VD, STD, sad, rabid, they definitely seem related to me. Again, that nearly identical logo and name thing, similar grievances, and so on, kind of connect VD with these guys.
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This is sad, not to mention scary.
Mr.Doctorow, if W1n5t0n had read the following he would be looking at you right now with an expression of disbelief and horror. How could the author of Little Brother, Homeland and For The Win, be tricked into writing
āā¦coalition of right-wing and white-supremacist groups who pushed a slate of ideological pure nominees onto the Hugo Award ballot, complaining that you could no longer judge books by their covers, and that science fiction had changed to reflect the world since the 1970s.ā
when an hour in honest research would have cast doubt on what was not simply refuted.
First the Prevent Sad Puppies campaigns were not the work of groups ideological or otherwise, but of individual authors, Larry Correia and Brad R. Torgenson. Neither of these men are white-supremacists (I believe Larry is Hispanic and Brad is married to an African-American and the father of their āmixed raceā daughter) and neither are, strictly speaking, right wing.
They did not push a slate of ideologically pure nominees, they recommended books and stories they themselves liked to the readers of their blogs and suggested that if those readers liked what they read, then nominate those books for a Hugo.
They didnāt complain that you couldnāt judge a book by itās cover, they complained that they couldnāt rely on a Hugo Award blurb as indicative of a good story.
Indeed their chief complaint is that they think stories in the last few years have been picked, not because lotās of people enjoyed them, but because quality has taken a back seat to political correctness.
Itās worth noting their claim that the books they recommended were written by a diverse group of authors, in terms of gender and political leanings, and the stories had protagonists and plots that do not fit the categories of white-supremacist or right-wing, but instead the whole wide world and everyone in it. (I canāt comment on the stories yet, I got distracted
by Heinlein but Iām going to by God STOP after I finish Have Space Suit Will Travel and start working through them)
And I donāt know where you got the 1970ās thing from.
Since discovering these writers, ironically because of the Hugo brouhaha, Iāve read 9 and Ā½ of Correiaās novels. These books have ranged from decent to really good, to stalling out about Ā½ through the last.
Iāve also read some of Torgersenās short stories, and found them readable if not impressive.
(As a metric I loved Little Brother and For The Win, enjoyed Homeland, Down and out in the Magic Kingdom, and
Eastern Standard Tribe, and was repelled by Someone Comes to Town, Someone Leaves Town.)
Iāve also spent a lot of time reading their blogs, and the blogs of their adversaries, just trying to figure out what the heck is going on.
So Iām confident when I say, youāve been misled by somebody, because there is no way the author of, especially, Little Brother and For The Win, could make these hateful claims about these two men if you had actually done the same.
And Iām going to be really bummed if youāve somehow drank the double speak Kool-aid and Iām wrong.
Seriously Dude, you are better than this.
As for the openly racist/misogynist/badthink Theodore Bealleā¦Iāve read his posts about the affair, and the posts of his adversaries, and Iām reserving judgment for now. Because I think the r/m/b labels are toā¦simplistic to accurately describe him.
And everything Iāve read suggests that the nastier claims about him are fallout from the flame-war backbiting all to typical of fannish political conflicts. I mean hell, what pushing to No Award the Hugo ballets anything but a threat itself?
Now I realize that youāre a name author, and Iām just a guy who reads a book a day, so Iām not going to rule out that Mr. Bealle is as unsavory as his enemies claim. But so far the quotes used to damn him are, if not entirely out of context, then definitely massaged.
Right now, from what heās actually claimed to espouse (as opposed to what his enemies claim he really meant to say), Iām leaning toward heās a prickly contrarian (think H.L. Mencken) who uses bluntness like a filter, to shock people into knee jerk reactions and to speak to those who can read his ideas by what he says, not by what people think he must be saying. Again I might be wrong.
So please, do a little research, because if the guy that penned Little Brother can be suckered into buying Ministry of Truth style propagandaā¦I canāt help thinking, isnāt that a big blow to any real hope that we can have of a free and decent future?
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welcome to boingboing. check out some of the other stories and spread some likes around for comments and things you like. i encourage you to act like a new member of the community instead of a single issue ranter.
i think you may be the one who needs to do some research because beale reads worse in context than most of the quotes iāve seen around here.
i advise you to read the following essay about beale and the whole sp/rp disruptionā
http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/04/guided-by-beauty-of-their-weapons.html
itās mentioned above in a couple of previous comments and worth a read if you really want to know. beale is a vicious piece of work who is condemned by his own words and it makes you look either naive or vicious to defend him and his efforts.
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Like I said earlier, I just discovered this entire issue today. Spent a few hours reading Beale and Torgersenās sites and I have to say that you may be in denial about these folks. Maybe Torgersen just genuinely wants to keep reading shoot 'em up sci-fi blaster stories, but you donāt win literary awards for just repeating the same thing over again. So, at best he is just missing the point of recognizing novel contributions to the field and pushing boundaries. Perhaps he believes in a Platonic Ideal of a sci-fi plot, but I would wager that is boring to most of us.
Beale basically represents the worse aspects of humanity. And he seems quite proud of it. No other way to read it.
It is worth pointing out that both of these guys self identify in clear terms as right-wing, so not seeing how Doctorowās summary is inaccurate.
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Whatās disturbing to me is that Rabid Puppies isnāt some also-ran, determined to grab hold of sad puppiesā coattails. Itās that it was the more successful of the two slates.
Sad Puppies 14 out of 17 nominees
Rabid Puppies 19 out of 20 nominees.
Of the 20 Novel, Novelette, Novella and SS nominees, 6 came from Rabid Puppies, 12 were nominated by Sad and Rabid Puppies, and 2 came from other sources.
(I should say that I donāt agree with my sourceās support for Sad Puppies, but numbers are numbers.)
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The book has a spaceship on the cover, but is it really going to be a story about space exploration and pioneering derring-do? Or is the story merely about racial prejudice and exploitation, with interplanetary or interstellar trappings?
Openly gay characters and an Analogy of governments making some people less than peopleāartificial people who donāt have feelings and love.
If youāre āTrickedā by these cover artsā¦by one of the āold school guysā you deserve to have an opinionā¦But you also have a uninformed opinion subject to people calling you out as a dumbass of galactic proportions.
/Edit: Actually I think Heinlein would be the first to say he āTrickedā people into not only expanding their horizonsā¦but questioning their bigotry and prejudiced. There are long screeds in his novels about this very issueā¦infact itās one of his central themes. Someone thatās āDifferentā gets rejected by people who they thought loved themāFriday is an exampleā¦Stranger has examples, and Moon is a Harsh Mistresses.
//Edit editā¦Bryan Singerā¦is directing the Moon is a Harsh Mistress Movie. Yeahā¦the gay director. Suck it Puppy.
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Only a LIBRUL would be stupid enough to make assumptions of another based on what they say about theirselves.
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One lonely Trot sitting in a hall
One lonely Trot sitting in a hall
And if one lonely Trot should accidentally squall
Thereāll be two lonely Trots sitting in a hall
ā¦ repeat as necessary
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