This is a ridiculous argument. Are you trying to say that women don’t find sexualized females in comic books attractive, but do find them so in fashion magazines? Or are you trying to say that only men read comic books so it’s obviously a failing on their part? Or are you trying to say that if comic books were geared towards women like fashion magazines are that they wouldn’t feature sexualized women? There’s implicit bias in any of those arguments, it’s an irrational assault on a fiction-based medium for the sake of drawing attention to what, exactly? Are there supposed to be a league of flabby superheroes?
I didn’t say attractive, I said aspirational, for the attention of men - I’m not sure if you’re aware, but those two words mean different things. Hence the argument that superheroes are aspirational for men, not created for the sexual edification of women who are reading comics… the point is the create a sense of an ideal woman for men, in both cases.
[edited to add] And of course women read comics. I read comics. I’ve been happy to see that some recent comics have some more realistic women and girls in them. I’ve been loving Ms. Marvel, and am happy to see how the new Ms. Marvel is more like a typical teenage girl in her real life and not sexualized.
Of course… so are yours. We’re human beings with biases.
[more edited adds] Also, no one is calling for bans or anything of that nature here… just more awareness and maybe some changes on how people think about how women are drawn in comics. Maybe you should think about why you are so bothered by that?
Everything about the original post seems obviously correct to me. If there was no such thing as sex at all, male superheroes would still be drawn with ridiculous muscles because it evidently plays to some men’s power fantasies. At least there was a time when it could be said this played to boys’ childish power fantasies, which are much more excusable, but of course children no longer buy comics for the most part.
When I was a kid reading Marvel (back in the $0.25/copy days), I always preferred the superheroes who were at least vaguely in proportion, though. They all have cool powers and super-strength and toughness and all that even if strength is not supposed to be one of their powers, but the ones with muscles on their muscles always looked grossly inhuman to me.
If magazines by women for women can’t raise themselves above aspirational pandering then I’d suggest the problem isn’t one created by comic book authors because of male readership. That we have to waste time assaulting comic books is at best a distraction, at worst a callous attempt to gin up pageviews from a hyper-liberalized mob of online activists.
In other news…Female Thor is outselling the old Thor by 30 percent.
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In other news…[Female Thor is outselling the old Thor by 30 percent].
[/quote]My bet is that’s a combination of the “car wreck” effect, and the fact that the typical Thor comic books were generally boring so had a smaller than normal readership.
I’m sorry we’re not doing things on your schedule, boss.
Someone got up on the wrong side of the gender-divide this morning. It’s my time. I get to decide what I want to do with it, and with your peculiar brand of rhetoric, I have to say that it injects some joy into the prospect of slaughtering your sacred cows.
You know, we can improve comicbooks and women’s magazines at the same time. Nothing says that we have to fix one thing before we fix another.
You’re assuming that just because someone has a vagina that they will automatically be fully attuned to sexism in print media, or that they haven’t been socialized in a sexist society somehow… But it’s you changing the subject, not me.
I like comics and want them to be better for my daughter… what, precisely do you find so threatening about that?
If you were trying to make my case that irrationality is the driving force behind this, you’re doing a fine job.
Oh, no see… us wimmins should just shut up, sit down, and hope that some man comes along and validating us by finding us attractive as they find these half-clad female superheroes… it’s a blessing when a guy ogles us, you see, because that is the only way we have value in this world… duh!
You’re just proving my point. This isn’t a rational discussion of the gender divide, this is picking on comic books because you’re powerless to address real issues in a way that would generate change.
Tell it to Marie Clare, Cosmo, Vogue, etc., etc., etc.,
So there is a problem with gender relations? I thought there wasn’t?
Why? Because I’m enjoying how worked up you’re getting? That makes me irrational? Sorry that I have normal human emotions. I’ll go back to being a robot so you can take me seriously. Because I care what you think so damn much.
And the next time that BB posts about representations of women in other media besides comicbooks (they do, occasionally), we almost certainly will. In the meantime, this thread is about comics, so here we’re talking about comicbooks.
I have to say that most of the ads I see here don’t fit the general character of BB. I don’t think it’s really a problem, but sometimes the juxtaposition of content and ads is pretty amusing.
How worked up I’m getting? Am I the one getting gleeful about slaughtering sacred cows (however you think that applies here)? I’m plenty familiar with your brand of useless online activism, it’s as egomaniacal as it is futile.
We? I can spot the lie!