Notable objects in 9/11 museum, and why a reporter was kicked out

IC what U did thar.

They’re also allowed to serve alcohol. That’s CLASSY innit? Totes honoring those mems and deez freedomz.

When I go up to people and say “Hi, I’m a lawyer. Did you just slip and fall?” I sure hate it when people hearing this try to fit me in the box of lawyer-trying-to-drum up business. I mean, I’m just a private citizen asking trying to figure out why they’re laying on the floor.

And it’s well established that the government can have fairly broad content-neutral, time place and manner speech restrictions. And that’s assuming that this is even considered a public place, which is not exactly clear.

Zero tolerance. If it’s good enough for our kids, it’s good enough for the adults, too.

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So, citizens whose profession is journalism have to have permission while in select spaces in order to ask fellow citizens what’s going on when there is a fracas in said select space? If there were a fire, would I be penalized for informing a journalist about it being time for us to exit the burning building?

Sounds like an unreasonable restriction of the rights of the person (profession:journalist) who paid to get in. Unless you think reporters should wear some sort of insignia at all times, so that everyone who would want to knows they can safely treat them not as citizens.

And it’s well established that the government can have fairly broad content-neutral, time place and manner speech restrictions.

Sure. Show me where this reported went outside of those existing restrictions, if they happen to be legal. I think the reporter was guilty of spooking the guards, who fear for their jobs in this economy. Now that would be a story.

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By attempting to interview someone inside the museum without the prior clearance required by published policy.

Is that what’s going on here? The phone complainer approached the journalist, not knowing she was a journalist, and tried to tell her about what just happened? Had the journalist been acting as nothing more than a citizen—and not as a journalist—there would be no problem. But that’s not what she did. She identified as a journalist and tried to interview the person. I mean, if security there prevents me from launching into a sales pitch for the vegetable peelers I want to sell to people in the museum, are they depriving me of my rights as a citizen? Would rules against sales pitches in the museum mean nobody could tell an off–duty pitchman that the building is on fire? Or is your argument a whole lot of wtf?

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Who on earth is arguing that anything about this is tasteful?

This is what I mean though…they said stop, and she stopped. Why did they feel the need to eject after she did exactly what they asked?

Also, zero tolerance in general causes far more problems than it solves in my experience, and only serves to breed a culture of distrust and juvenile behavior. Treat people like kids, and they’ll act like kids. Treat people like criminals and otherwise reasonable people will act out just because.

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Presumably ejecting someone sends a better message and deters others better than letting everyone get away with one free infraction. I suppose its why we prosecute people for even their first murder even when they are highly unlikely to murder anyone else in the future. It probably makes more sense to apply this fairly strict standard to journalists, who are accustomed to getting accreditation for these sorts of places and events.

I think zero tolerance is a horrible policy, but if its a choice that we as society have made then it should be enforced equally against everyone. Its only by doing this, and exposing everyone to its ills, that you are going to get widespread political opposition to it.

So I suppose you also think that churches, bars, and burrito shops shouldn’t be able to ban firearms on the premises?

Is anyone else a little surprised the Pentagon was still using phones from the early 1970s?

I noticed that too, but to my mind that was a smart move. Those old phones were much more dependable, virtually indestructible, and less likely to be used incorrectly. The newer complicated phone systems in many businesses require actual training to know how to use. I can imagine an accidental switch to speakerphone, transferring a call to the wrong extension, or the mute button not being activated correctly could be particularly worrisome at the Pentagon. Basically, the KISS principle in action.

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