Ongoing coronavirus happenings

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-20/white-house-tells-federal-workers-to-prepare-to-return-to-office?srnd=premium

Yeah but, the Governors have the last word you mothr fing moronavirus.

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“Look 'ma, I opened government!”

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The last person on earth to learn asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus, is the first to send people back to work. This checks out.

This is a real game changer.

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More to the point he’s full of shit, like DeSantis and the beaches. The fascist media parrot his lies in their headlines, giving him a “win” over the libturds, rather than pointing out that actually he’s done no such thing.

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He looks like he’s got an existential dread translator there. The horror really comes across.

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If that holds up, it makes a vaccine a really heavy lift and convalescent plasma pretty much useless. Leave us hope it does not!

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I have known folks on disability, and support UBI in theory but in practice worry it will be cut down to the level SSI is, leaving folks on UBI perpetually on the verge of poverty. But I don’t have a good solution to that problem and think something is better than nothing.

I also caution to be suspicious of Yang style UBI which replaces (not supplements) existing social services.

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I certainly wouldn’t want to trade one for the other. Why not both?

There’s a false dichotomy being spread about that either we let millions die from covid or presumably millions more will perish from the economic fallout from stay at home orders. There is a third option tho, we take care of people with some financial aid. The counter punch article makes a really good case for how this can work and dispels many of the arguments against the idea.

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One of the reasons libertarians are so bullish on UBI is that they do want to replace social services with it, and then they can crow over their superiority to people who don’t use their money on the right things and then their children starve, or whatever.

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And once it’s there it’s hard to cancel.

IIRC the NHS wasn’t always intended to be permanent but I could be pulling that out of my ass

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or have to spend all their money on insulin instead of whole foods tuna steaks due to poverty induced diabetes. there’s all sorts of ways UBI can go sideways, but it’s still better than what we have. we just need to be watchful

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“Be grateful, we’re giving you $20,000 dollars a year! Health insurance now costs $20,000 a year? Well, spend it wisely!”

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There’s all sorts of ways military spending can go sideways, but we do it anyway.

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He thought, “What would Jesus do?” And then he did what he knew Jesus would do.

But will he be my grandad?

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The NHS proper was always intended to be permanent, but its forerunners did include the wartime Emergency Hospital Services:

Which were meant to be temporary for the duration of the war, but even before the war was over, it was clear that the health system couldn’t go back to the pre-war system, which was already under heavy criticism. These emergency services ended up being part of the NHS, along with all the previous infrastructure.

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The “no proof” seems to be the already-known fact that not enough time has passed nor studies done to prove lasting immunity.

Given the current knowledge of virology, I think betting on at least moderate-term immunity for most is still reasonable (though studies should continue).

There’s a significant difference between no proof the sun will come up tomorrow and no proof bigfoot lives in a modest Tudor-style home in Forest Hills.

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As our nation continues to cover itself in shame:

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