Out of 8 companies surveyed, only Twitter would rule out helping Trump build a database of Muslims

Exactly. This story is unworthy of BoingBoing.

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Sure. No doubt, but that’s part of the problem, right? Putting corporate profits ahead of the collective good and ethics?

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They shouldn’t have to. Period. It completely contradicts the letter and spirit of the first amendment.

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And the entire basis of early Colonial immigration to this country.

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What the board believes is best.

Is this why you call Cory a “trolley”?

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If we are not outraged, we are not doing anything of the sort.

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Unlike which news sites? Where is an agenda free news site or organization that I can follow?

Journalists have two kinds of biases or agenda: explicit and implicit. No one is free.

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“The Liberal Agenda” = “I don’t like the facts they provide, whereas this other source of media provides the facts that are more suitable to my conservative ideology.”

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LOL.

Not many people know this, but Andy Borowitz is actually a trillionaire.

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/me looks like all of the Blu-ray movies online, pirated games, books, music… you think it works? Rips of movies are available before they show up in the stores (being ripped from distribution through discs).

I regularly remove all DRM from my ebooks before I archive them in case Amazon or others have a “1984” moment again and choose to revoke “my” kindle books. It is beyond trivial to strip DRM, even when companies really care about it (and most clearly don’t and only do it because licensing deals require it as a checkbox).

or people that know how to Google…

DRM doesn’t work except for honest people that choose to honor it.

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What sort of post is this, even.

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I will call out trollies even when they fit the narrative I wish to believe is the right one when they alter facts simply to manufacture outrage. If this isn’t the definition of a trolley, I don’t know what is.

And yes, if they report calmly and rationally and explore the facts and don’t use hyperbolic arguments that state that anyone that isn’t with you and doesn’t like your methodology is the enemy…they might get some sympathy. I listen to NPR all the time and there have been SEVERAL times over the last several weeks where I have become sympathetic to the opposing side’s arguments because things were reported in a way that shows why folks have specific beliefs and didn’t automatically criticize those that did. I still disagree, but it puts a different perspective that I might actually work with knowing they will probably not change their mind.

Sure, if you know what sites and otherwise to go to. I still my media of DRM as well…I often want to watch things on my iPad when I have no internet connection. Or I want to annotate my Kindle documents – so I will rip these to PDF and then I can use my stylus to highlight as well as handwrite notes into the document – I don’t particularly like the notes system Amazon gives with their software.

Most of the time, places where you can get the actual media are hard to come by. Unless you have trained yourself where to look. And what terms to us. And what sites are simply going to give you a dozen viruses. Again, DRM works – not because it is 100% perfect – but because it is annoying enough that it would take the AVERAGE person quite a long time to find it. Pirates make this a daily activity of life and find the act of piracy far more enjoyable that actually consuming the product. The rest of us have jobs and lives and significant others and basements that don’t need to be occupied in our mother’s homes…

So long as it is significantly annoying, and the product isn’t really all that much money…we pay for it and move on.

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I like John Scalzi’s analogy for this.

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Yes, you’re right, no one should live in fear of surveillance, deportation, arrest, or torture. But this isn’t an academic, “what if” kind of discussion, where we can imagine that the majority of the country would rally against a despot, would act morally and defend the rights of all citizens, regardless of religion, race, or creed.

A white supremacist has become president on an anti-Muslim / anti-immigrant / anti-civil rights platform, argued in favor of surveillance, deportation, and torture, and started installing other white supremacists in his cabinet. He’s promised to punish the press, as well as anyone who speaks out against him. I don’t think “I have First Amendment rights” is going to be a particularly convincing argument in the coming years.

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Not quite, I’d argue. You could say that about the northern colonies (MA, Penn both), but Virginia was founded as an economic colony (and GA, the Carolinas, etc), and then there is the spanish colonization… Let’s not ignore the slave trade and indentured servitude.

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I don’t disagree about white supremacy (but think he was employing it, rather than buying into it entirely), but just identifying one as a non-Muslim will hardly matter, since being a Muslim has been racialized already. Brown skinned people who look vaguely middle eastern will be targeted, either way. We’ve already seen Sikhs and Hindus attacked for “being muslim” since 9/11. This won’t change. But many who look European claiming to be Muslims might have a bigger impact.

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Not being snarky, legitimately asking for clarification.

A bigger impact on what? Building a no-fly, enemies-of-the-Trump database? Since the only people who would identify themselves as Muslims are likely to be non-Trump voters, I think the “bigger impact” will be that “many who look European” will find themselves secretly blacklisted by the government.

Also, please clarify – are you claiming that, since brown-skinned people such as Sikhs and Hindus are mistaken as Muslim anyway, that actual Muslims should just publicly identify themselves as Muslim, since… they’re going to be, anyway?

Good distinction! I was using “early Colonial” in the way genealogists mean it. Should have been clearer about that. The French and the Spanish had their own motivations (economic, largely). But as you say, even some of the British colonies had economic motivation as well.

Interestingly, even in overtly economic situations like French Canada, it turns out there was a crypto-religious aspect to it as well. Now that we have DNA testing, we’re discovering that there is a higher percentage than would be ‘natural’ of Jewish haplogroups among the early Acadians. Families that had made it to France during the Spanish Inquisition didn’t necessarily feel entirely at home, so when the opportunity came to go somewhere very different where they wouldn’t stand out as much, quite a few took advantage. That also explains the significant crypto-Jewry in Mexico, Central, and South America. Not talking about relatively recent WWII immigration, but rather the Inquisition days and thereafter.

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Why are you pushing this trumpist narrative that someone who writes articles is not a real journalist just because you disagree with the articles they write?

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