Every time I hear citizen’s arrest this pops into my head, sorry.
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You made the claim, it’s on you to support it. There are lots of things in this world that you can buy that most people shouldn’t or don’t have legitimate uses for. Unless you can name one, don’t make the claim. Note that if they were removed from the market and better options exist for sex toys (which they do) then people would switch to buying those. Again, their existence on the market means nothing about usefulness for regular people. People will buy anything.
You seem to be wanting to die on a hill for peoples’ right to buy zip-cuffs, which I cannot understand, but I think I’m gonna leave it here. You do you, friend.
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You made a statement, “Considering no civilian has a reason to own them”, and that is just not accurate. I was being coy initially, but confirmed in my second reply that whether there are better options in your opinion or not, people do use them for restraints in the bedroom. And if you spend 2 min looking at the Amazon reviews, you will see a multitude of people saying how well they do or don’t work for that purpose (as well as ones to support your assertion, but it clearly isn’t a black and white use).
I guess this begs the question who are “regular” people. But “weirdos” or not, they aren’t hurting anyone and people buying them should not at any point be “…probable cause for a search warrant or something.”
And if through pearl clutching it was decide that zip tie cuffs were only available to cops, it would do nothing, as anyone wanting to use them for kidnapping or “citizens arrest” or other bullshit, will just do what the other people using them for fun will do (and already do): take two or three thick zip ties and create a chain of them. Or, you know, buy real handcuffs that are much much harder to get out of (I guess ban those while we are at it.)
Not willing to die on the hill per se - I just don’t understand the perspective that mere ownership/use of them is somehow a red flag for something nefarious, to the point it should be all you need for a search warrant.
Clearly there are examples of them being used for bad things, primarily from right wing nuts such at this article and on Jan. 6th, but that shouldn’t be the default assumption.
YMMV
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Oh, Dog. If we could only allow our cops one bullet, and they have to keep it in their breast pocket.
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An arrest!
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Sure if you’re tied up with your hands in front of you with Harbor Freight zip ties but those cop zip ties behind your back, good luck.
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But come on, a misdemeanor? He had tools to tie her up.
That’s got to be some sort of menacing charge.
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Just do the steps here in reverse:
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Yep. Military or cop-spec zipties are much stronger than the cheaper stuff at HF, Princess Auto (slightly upmarket Canukistan version of HF). Quality industrial ones are also much stronger; some even come with a metal ratchet thingy pawl.
I get a bit squicky thinking about using anything but dollar-store quality ones in any other… play. Seems like not having a safe word.
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So how long before someone gets hurt or worse? These parents are nuts.
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“…I need answers.” Dude, you got answers. It is your problem if you don’t like them.
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Do the cop ties have metal or fibre reinforcing in them? Can they be cut with diagonal pliers or trauma shears like the regular plastic ones? Asking for a friend.
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How dare you threaten my Second Amendment Right to own zip-ties!!
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Zip-ties don’t tie people, people tie people.
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Are these somehow different from the zip-ties that I buy at home depot to wrangle spaghetti nests of wires into nicely contained clusters?
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AZ Right Wing Watch
Well, now there’s a thankless task…
[Florida man:] " …it was just emotions built up."
Gracious, one could use that excuse about having done anything wrong. It’s right up (or down) there with “I forgot.”
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Agreed. This is just: “Do as I say or I’m going to kidnap you.” Extortion, conspiracy to commit a felony, menacing, I’m sure there are more.
Each should come with hefty criminal (and, hopefully civil) penalties. I think this dude would make a fine barista at the ‘Hotel Graywall.’
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You mean other people don’t have spare keys stashed in various locations around their person, just in case?
Umm, me neither.
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