actually it’s a pretty cool term. and I’m not at all against sarcasm! I am in favor of balancing it with at least 75% authenticity though. Thanks for sayin’
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So, leaving everything else aside, here’s what I want to know:
Eventually, she learned that her microbiome (the colony of microbes in her body) was dangerously unbalanced and was not functioning as it should.
Is there an actual procedure for this? If there’s an established, non-woo test, I would like to take it. Even if you don’t accept that gut flora has the kind of transcendent effects that churnalists (I like the word) might suggest, surely being in balance is a good thing.
As I’ve known quite a few profs, I know that at least of them can be petty.
Oops, you left out an important bit:
As I’ve known quite a few profs, I know that at least 99% of them can be petty.
Not me, of course, but most of the others are just insufferable.
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is a real thing. The microbes that cause it can hide in your joints, where antibiotics can’t get to them (because of limited circulation there). If your immune system droops the microbes can come back out of hiding and cause another infection. It can be really difficult to get rid of.
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Yup, RULE 34 is going to be applicable here.
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This thread has undergone quite a clean up. Much less poop in here now. Well done, mods.
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I’ve heard that another method of getting infected with another person’s gut flora is a prolonged wet kiss. Even if it doesn’t work it’s a lot more fun.
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I’ve experienced that. Anecdotally, I think that’s how I repopulated something approaching normalcy since my own similar trouble. But like, I didn’t know then what I know now. And I’ve not approached a single non-traditional practitioner or academic for advice. Though one approached me.
The best advice I got, the root of it, came from Ayervedic stuff. Most of it was lost on me, but the dietary suggestions from the practitioner were spot on for relief, and I learned about a really delicious supplement, Chywanprash, which it took me three years to learn how to spell.
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Also neither Chronic Lyme’s Disease or Chronic Fatigue are really things.
Neither are Mump’s and Measel’s.
something with medical recognition
All diseases once were without medical recognition. One by one we recognize them.
Debilitating arthritis and/or nerve damage, for example, aren’t
“classic self diagnosed, ‘symptom of life’ sort of conditions”.
Chronic Lyme disease, fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are very real things with dumb names, each describing spectrums of a set of symptoms that with many appear to start with borreliosis.
And why not?
Childhood bouts of guttate psoriasis are sometimes triggered by a cold.
About ten percent of those affected with guttate psoriasis develop psoriatic arthritis, which causes chronic joint inflammation.
If we called that ‘chronic cold’s disease’ that would be stupid, but it still would be a thing.
I feel there might be a strong link between CLD, CFS and infant psoriasis.
And there could be a link between infant psoriasis and autism spectrum disorders, which also seem connected to poop biomes.
Immune system stuff is complicated.
I have antibodies for Borrelia burgdorferi in my cerebrospinal fluid without having been diagnosed with, or treated for Lyme disease. I don’t have Lyme borreliosis but all its symptoms. Over ten years now.
Or is it psoriatic arthritis? That has the same symptoms. Is it a thing?
I wish for everyone the ongoing blissful luxury of being able to afford a more perfect than my ignorance on the subject.
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various poop threads ran amok
Too much threadshitting?
These people have found proof in my Liquor cerebrospinalis.
Why are they not qualified to have an opinion?
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This whole thread is useless - not a single pointer to where one can get the skinny flora transplant so some hypothetical person can eat whatever the hell she wants.
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I’m a poop dope!
I’m a poop dope!
Not exactly a thread, it was Threadworms.
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Rhizomatic poop has caused a spectacular, horrifying accident.
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Suddenly, my mind is pressuring me to branch out today to a local hardware store and buy a bidet.
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In search of a suitable donor, where does one begin. And, how should we approach said donor. What if we’re not attracted to them and yet they carry the matching skids. Is there an online site whereby, if you like what you see, you could WIPE left or right. Anybody know?
Both Chronic Fatigue and Fibro have rounded their way around, in their more rigorous still in process medical forms, to auto-immune theories. Like I said many of these mysterious catchall diagnoses seem to catch at least some people with a legitimate, as yet un-indentified/ill-defined disease. And as those cases get concentrated and better focused on Auto-immune seems to be one of the major things getting teased out. Whether in misdiagnoses or new diseases we haven’t quite worked out yet. Rare Metabolic disorders and other borderline impossible to diagnose things are apparently something that often hides in the categories too.
What that doesn’t equate to is a well defined medical condition with clear diagnostic criteria, a clear plausible mechanism and support in the research.
Lyme’s testing is so far as I know extremely prone to false positives. Just for the sake on conversation I’ll mention a friend’s ex who’s naturopath repeatedly ran the tests for months. Sending samples to multiple labs until one out of dozens came back positive.
More over its entirely possible to get Lyme’s and miss the diagnosis. Have it go untreated. And then you’re dealing with the long term complications. It used to happen frequently. Before better testing, awareness, etc it was usual. I know a lot of people with Lyme’s wrecked knees. This is different than what is referred to as Chronic Lymes. Which posits recurrent infections, mysterious neurological conditions, etc. And symptoms much different than either Lymes itself or long term complications from it. What I was referring to with the people who’ve not had Lymes being diagnosed with Chronic Lymes, were people who are vanishingly unlikely to have been even exposed to Lymes. Not living in or ever having been to a place where Lymes is present. Or otherwise being all but confirmed to have never had it.
Symptoms are superficially similar to Lymes, and especially its long term complications. But Lyme’s does not do this to your feet. Neither does PA include the fever, rash and other flu like symptoms typical of active Lyme’s infections. Lyme’s doesn’t come with the Psoriasis that causes/is linked to Psoriatic Arthritis. There’s also a weird thing where untreated Lyme’s causes liver damage. And liver damage is a concern with PA. But PA’s liver damage concerns come with the meds, IIRC, not from the disease itself.
PA is one of a handful of autoimmune disorders my family is genetically pre-disposed to. Along with a couple of autoimmune Thyroid conditions, and an autoimmune triggered form of diabetes.
PA is most often misdiagnosed as Rheumatoid Arthritis. As they’re extremely similar in the early offing. But I’ve had a few family members misdiagnosed as Chronic Fatigue who’ve experience later complications due to the delay in proper treatment. And people frequently try to convince my Uncle who’s case is rather bad (he has super gross knees) to go off his current meds on the claim that he simply must have Chronic Lyme’s and not Psoriatic Arthritis.
And many viruses or bacteria cause auto immune or slow acting diseases. Something we’re just beginning to note.
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First I’m not aware of any vast increase in research backing the idea that many common illnesses can trigger auto-immune disorders or have an unrecognized chronic/persistent form. Though there are examples of that, and there have always been examples of that.
Second the Lone Star tick is a terrible example. For one very good reason. The lone star tick does not infect you with a disease. Not a virus or bacteria. There is no infection that leaves you allergic to meat. The exact mechanism isn’t really fully laid out. But the Tick feeds off a non-primate mammal, taking in a protein present in all non-primate mammals called Alpha-Gal. When the tick subsequently bites a human, it transfers over the alpha-gal to the bite site. Some component of the tick’s saliva causes an allergic reaction (very similar to a bug bite) and the body attacks the alpha-gal allergy style along with or instead of the tick spit. That leaves you with a lingering allergy to alpha-gal. The missing pieces are largely what component of the tick bite triggers the reaction, and the why’s and hows of that reaction being to alpha-gal and not the tick spit component.
So there is no infection involved. There is no slow acting disease. And the auto-immune disorder caused is a simple allergy. Which while it can be incredibly dangerous, isn’t particularly similar to auto-immune disorders like RA and PA.
But it does bring up a really good example of misdiagnosis. My brother ended up bit by a lone star tick (along with about 60 chiggers). Afterwards he repeatedly broke out in hives, and ended up in the ER in full anaphylaxis no less than 3 Times. Each time he was plausibly exposed to red meat. He cut all of that out of his diet, along with dairy and anything else that might carry alpha-gal. And he was formally diagnosed with the allergy. There’s lab testing for the reaction, but its not FDA approved yet so insurance doesn’t cover it, and it takes months to get results. So after six months being very careful his test results finally came in.
No Alpha-Gal allergy. They confirmed the test with a retest (also negative) and by exposure. Eating red meat no problem. In the end it turned out his problems were the result of stress. The “anaphylaxis” were really bad anxiety attacks. And one of them had been “triggered” by something its largely impossible to be allergic to (fresh frozen plasma). The hives were mostly triggered by stressful situations.
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