Rebels seize MH17 plane crash black boxes and bodies, human remains shipped on train to unknown site
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Ooooh, the desert of the real!
I see, so reporting that indicates the extremely tenuous nature of the evidence regarding this tragedy is suspect, while the âcertaintyâ of the US government and its mouthpieces is an indication of proof. In your world a megaphone and lots of screaming are more convincing than measured, careful reporting.
Did you learn nothing from the reporting on the Syrian chemical attack? Or the Iraq war? Or the Libya fiasco that sent north Africa into a destabilizing tailspin? Or the Ukraine reporting that tried to paint a US government fomented coup as Russia aggression?
You sir, are a true patriot.
Thereâs the rub though. I seem to recall similar breathlessly reported âevidenceâ from the Syrian chemical attack which turned out to be rebels with Turkish backing according to Seymour Hersh. Oops.
All the âevidenceâ thatâs been put forward, even including the supposed theft of wreckage from the crash-site, isnât particularly convincing given the mad rush to immediately judge Russia and Putin guilty before anything was actually known (hell, we donât even know it was a missile that took the plane down!). The whole thing stinks, and in time we will inevitably hear further details that disprove at least some of the supposedly ironclad proof. The US military claims to have satellite photos showing missile trucks moving back to Russia. Why havenât we seen those? If they really wanted to convince us instead of work people into a an unthinking frenzy they would show those. Believing the US government without proof after all weâve been through is a foolâs game.
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All that obsession with disgusted, breathless rubbing. And sheep. Also, an endless stream of horseshit.
Really people, so much âcertaintyâ flying around when so little is known⊠doesnât that make you stop and think just for a second?
Its long past time for us to stop believing accounts of the US government and MSM without concrete evidence. They have lost all credibility (many times over now) and yet many still unquestioningly believe them.
The recent history of these events are that the US has been trying desperately for months now to get the EU on their side against Russia with little success. Nothing has been working and now, very conveniently, a civilian airline full or EU residents crashes and the mad rush to implicate Russia is on. I hate to think my government created this false flag, but the timing is so perfect and the rush to condemn Russia with no concrete evidence is just too convenient. Perhaps it was an accident and the US is just using it to push the EU in its direction. Either way the narrative weâre being fed is too flimsy to believe.
âȘ Theyâre Heâs baaaaack! â«
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If you donât have something concrete to add⊠well, why donât you have something concrete to add?
Exactly ;). We just donât know do we? Its not as if the US government is above such tactics. I know, I hate the US and love Putin. Right.
Ironically, the supposedly cosmopolitan BB set is sounding more and more like a bunch of âlove it or leave itâ rednecks these days.
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I donât need something concrete. I had something, you ignored it, and you continue to spew strange garbage.
Leave what? Here? By all means, get the fuck out. Or donât. No one cares.
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You seem very nonchalant about starting a war
Is that what Iâm suggesting? Last time I checked thereâs already one on. It was, kinda the cause of the issue weâre discussing (if you had forgotten). ~300 innocent people from countries that have nothing to do with the conflict have now been killed, so itâs no longer just an issue of Ukraine and Russia. One side is fighting it by themselves (well, publicly at least) while the other side is fighting with the financial, military and logistical support of Russia - whom has a direct interest in destabilising the region. Is it so wrong to stand with allies, particularly when those allies are fighting an enemy with essentially unlimited resources? This isnât Star Trek and weâre not bound by the prime directive⊠we get to say when our neighbours are being assholes and we get to do things about it.
The other thing worth mentioning, that I have so far not seen mentioned anywhere, is that a properly trained soldier operating anti-air munitions is trained in correctly identifying their target is legitimate before pushing the button. If the rebels were an actual army with actual training I seriously doubt whether this would have ever happened. Some fucking clown canât differentiate between a military aircraft and a civilian one, so now 300 innocent people are dead, have been robbed and are having their remains treated with incredible disrespect.
Maybe you think that indiscriminately bombing certain parts of the Ukraine is a good idea (hey, remember Kosovo in 1999)?
Maybe youâd like another try at making a slightly less obvious straw man argument? I didnât say indiscriminate and it aint '99 anymore buddy. The NATO bombing campaign against Libya was effective, clean and caused relatively little collateral damage.
Certainly, nobody did anything during the Cold War.
Nobody did anything during the cold war? OK⊠if you say so. All that espionage must have just been a figment of my imagination.
It was a series of proxy conflicts between two nuclear superpowers that mostly screwed over other countries, not Russia.
The collapse of the USSR didnât screw up Russia, how exactly?
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We have a bigger dick.
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Itâs Ukrainian territory. We have a right to support our allies, especially considering the enemy they fight is being supported by the Russians.
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According to your âreference materialâ I am fine. Sweet.
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His argument relies on the concept of us all being Americans, which weâre not.
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Youâre obviously self-contained and in need of nothing, yet you keep responding to my comments as if you did.
I learned a new thing on BoingBoing today. Itâs called Poeâs Law
My favorite corollary/restatement:
âAny sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook.â
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If youâre not American then why do you feel the compulsion to believe the evidence-free âproofâ the US media and government throw up at you? As an âAmericanâ, I can understand the impulse towards believing oneâs government despite the decades of lies and manipulation. But for anyone not from this country its strange garbage*.
*A term of art devised by one of your fellow US government-narrative defenders to connote something obviously wrong and stupid.
Youâre right, itâs a different game than yesterday, when you were replying to absolutely everyone in the thread, including those avoiding you, lumping us all together as some kind of stereotypical âsheepâ. Your âpointsâ have all been addressedâincluding the ones that insult everyoneâand the general consensus of everyone not-you is revulsion.
So by all means, continue to pour poison into your dry well. We will watch and comment, but we have no obligation to engage on substance. Not any more.
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I have been serially misquoted and mis-characterized through this entire thread. Iâm one of the few here who actually admit I donât know whatâs happening, and yet you continue to spin narratives that Iâm some sort of ânutterâ âtrolleyâ who has declared this a false flag attack.
Now, please take another one of my sentences out of context that âprovesâ Iâm certain of whatâs going on.
Are you bashing your head on the keyboard to type these? Otherwise the observable progressive drop in IQ as you continue to post is hard to explain.
Without even taking into account the US government statements, the circumstantial evidence is more than enough to deduce that what most likely happened is Rebels shot the plane down, thinking it was a Ukrainian military plane. The most incriminating evidence in my opinion are the internet posts made by the separatists themselves IRT the incident and their behaviour at the crash site after the fact.
*A term of art devised byâŠ
Itâs strange trash? Kinda like your phraseology and capacity to reason, I guess.
